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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Thank you for your post, I was going to add a little to what you typed.

The woman in Revelation 12 is clearly NOT Mary - Mary is in Heaven with all the old and new testament saints. The woman is not named. Surely John, who physically knew Mary, took her into his home after the crucifixion, would have named her if the woman was in fact Mary. She is a symbol for Israel, and what will happen during Israel’s last days before Jesus returns.

The entire chapter is discussing events that are taking place during the tribulation. The Church is in Heaven. There are two groups left on earth - Gentiles and the nation of Israel.

Note the descriptions of various groups - Church masculine language (Body of Christ). False church (great whore). And she can’t be gentiles, because they are persecuting her. So it must be Israel.

Note the crowns and stars, where have we heard that before? In Joseph’s dream told to Jacob and his sons (Israel) - Genesis 37:9-11

Israel was often compared to an unfaithful spouse, and a woman married to God - Isaiah 54:1-6, Jeremiah 3:1-14, Hosea 2:14-23

Israel the nation is referred to as going through “travail” during the last days - Matthew 24, Mark 13, Isaiah 66:7-8, Jeremiah 30:6-9, Micah 5:3 - Note especially the passage in Isaiah - Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. >> Sounds familiar to Rev 12 right?

The man-child is the 144,000 Jews sealed and raptured mid-tribulation, while the woman, the remnant of the Jews, heads to the wilderness for the last 3.5 years.

In Revelation 14, we see the 144,000, the man-child, now in Heaven. The Remnant of Israel is in the wilderness until the 2nd Advent.

Man-child ruling all nations - something all Believers will share - Psalm 149:6-9, Daniel 7:18-27, Rev 2:26-27 also alluded to in 1 Cor 6:2-3

I could go on, but that should suffice for now.


37 posted on 08/15/2013 4:30:37 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: Kandy Atz

Luther on Mary’s Assumption

http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2012/04/luther-on-assumption-of-mary-there-can.html


42 posted on 08/15/2013 4:51:05 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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