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To: RobbyS; ctdonath2
It is not by right but by the favor that the Father gave her that we celebrate her.

That simply is not true, as RCs without censure assert she is the most holy of all saints, surpassing them in virtue ("Mary surpasses all the saints in virtue so the grace her Son gives through her is immense enough to save all mankind" - http://www.rosary-center.org/ll61n2.htm) and now in power, and is given more ascriptions and attributes than all others, all of which is far beyond what Scripture says of her, which is little (though significant), esp. as compared with the sacrificial love and abundant labors and sufferings of Paul, who is hardly exalted by Rome in comparison to Mary.

We celebrate her “coronation" AFTER her assumption or exaultation.

Another examples of the disregard Scripture is treated with, as therein we see that the crowning of saints does not occur until after the resurrection, while now or then no one was the object of prayer to Heaven, much less having almost unlimited power ascribed to them, so that there requests are almost like commands to God.

The evangelical anti-Marianism always make me think that they regard the Virgin Birth as a kind of “stunt,”or supersign if you like ,

A charge devoid of examples from established evangelical churches or classic commentators (Henry, Barnes, Clarke, Gill, JFB, etc.) The valid anti-Marianism is against the Mary of Catholicism which is mythical.

Yes, I think that beneath the vague trinitarinism of the evangelical oft lies a vague Arianism.

Rather, historically evangelicals have overall manifested a common front and contention against those that deny the Trinity and other core doctrines, as well as against extra Biblical traditions of Rome, and even in the declension of today evangelicals are overall more conservative than those Rome counts and treats as members, while liberal scholarship abounds in Rome.

110 posted on 08/16/2013 8:46:25 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
"Mary surpasses all the saints in virtue so the grace her Son gives through her is immense enough to save all mankind"

And the Church Lady replies:


120 posted on 08/17/2013 4:56:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

The assumption is her Resurrection. She is taken body and soul into eternity. In eternity there is no before and after.

It is a bit ironical that someone with Lutheran views should compare her labors with Paul’s and see her coming short. Her great work was BEING the mother of my Lord. You think that a mean accomplishment?


129 posted on 08/17/2013 11:11:44 AM PDT by RobbyS
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