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To: Salvation; BipolarBob; St_Thomas_Aquinas
You can rationalize all you wish, but Mary is the mother of God. Jesus is fully God and fully man.

Indeed He was, but by that logic Mary's parents were grandparents of God, and which type of attribution can be ascribed to all her ancestors back to Adam.

I see the counsel of Ratzinger regarding title 'Co-redemptrix' is applicable here, as he at least recognized that the title 'Co-redemptrix,'

“departs to too great an extent from the language of Scripture and of the Fathers and therefore gives rise to misunderstandings...” For, “Everything comes from Him [Christ], as the Letter to the Ephesians and the Letter to the Colossians, in particular, tell us; Mary, too, is everything she is through Him. The word 'Co-redemptrix' would obscure this origin. A correct intention being expressed in the wrong way." (God and the world: believing and living in our time, by Pope Benedict XVI, Peter Seewald, Ignatius Press, San Francisco, 2000, p. 306

For the objection is not that the term cannot be understood in a restricted sense, but to what it most naturally conveys, that of ontologically being the mother of God, as if Mary was the author of the Divinity of Christ, yet Mary provided nothing to what makes the Son of God divine. Instead, she owes to Christ everything she is, while Catholic Mariology emphasizes what Christ owes to Mary.

For it should be understood that my objection is not to Mary being honored as the holy chosen vessel to bring forth Christ, and mothering Him according to the flesh, but to the excess ascriptions, appellations, exaltation, and adoration (and the manner of exegesis behind it), ascribed to the Catholic Mary, whether officially or by Catholics (with implicit sanction of authority), and which uniqueness and exaltation largely parallels that of Christ:

For in the the Catholic quest to almost deify Mary, it is taught by Catholics*,


113 posted on 08/16/2013 9:50:27 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

I forget that many Protestants seem to think that Catholics believe that Mary gave birth to the eternal Godhead.

We don’t.

Yet Catholics are right in calling her The Mother of God, since Jesus is God and she is His Mother, It’s as simple as that. We are not responsible for Protestant misperceptions of Mary’s titles.

Mary is also the Queen of Heaven, as Scripture clearly indicates.

If you remove the artificially-imposed chapters and verse numbers in Scripture, these verses appear consecutively:

“Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm. A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.”

This is the woman whose Son (Jesus) would rule with an iron rod.

We see through typology that the Ark AND this crowned woman in heaven is Mary.

The Ark contained Aaron’s staff, representing the priesthood, manna, the “bread from heaven,” and the 10 Commandments, all of which serve as types for Jesus, who is eternal High Priest, the bread of life (John 6), and the Eternal Word. The Ark itself is a type for Mary, since she contained Jesus.

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The title of Co-Redemptrix is correct, when properly understood, but confusing to the ignorant, for the reasons that the pope specified. What does that prove?


115 posted on 08/17/2013 3:52:23 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: daniel1212
'Co-redemptrix' = heresy
121 posted on 08/17/2013 4:57:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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