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To: onthelookout777
You posted a lot of material, but I would disagree with you on this. For example, Ephesians 2:8-9 doesn't really defend the "faith alone" position. It mostly just emphasizes the importance (and necessity) of God's grace for salvation. Without His grace, neither our faith nor our works would have any meaning. See my video on that for more: link As for the rest of the passages you listed, please see the videos pertaining to "faith alone" here (not all of your passages will be directly addressed -- yet -- but you will get a good idea of the Catholic position, which might actually surprise you): link
10 posted on 09/14/2013 1:11:55 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
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To: matthewrobertolson
You posted a lot of material, but I would disagree with you on this. For example, Ephesians 2:8-9 doesn't really defend the "faith alone" position. It mostly just emphasizes the importance (and necessity) of God's grace for salvation. Without His grace, neither our faith nor our works would have any meaning.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

God is watching you corrupt his bible...

33 posted on 09/14/2013 2:32:41 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: matthewrobertolson
I think that what Jesus said while HE was ON the cross is absolute truth. He told the thief, The one who was a liar and thief and who knows what else, that surely today you shall be with me in heaven.

Can anyone tell me truthfully what ‘works’ the thief did to be saved, other in the thief's incomplete and most likely limited understanding of WHO Christ was and what HE did.

The obvious answer is that there were no ‘works’ and while the thief may not have possessed the absolute, complete, and perfect truth of who Christ is/was, the thief at the very least did ask Christ to remember him (the thief) when HE (CHRIST) came into HIS glory.

God's salvation through Christ is not dependent upon good works but on the willingness to believe in Christ based upon what we recognize as the Godly Spirit in Him.

It is not an absolutely perfect understanding of every minute detail of Who Christ is but rather an understanding that alone Christ was sent by God the Father to provide the propitiation for our sins on the cross and is the only one anointed by the father to do so.

Christ and Christ alone is the sole mediator between God and man (1 Timothy 1:15) and there is NO other mediator or co-redeemer possible.

Indeed at the end when everyone is judged, there will be two thrones the worlds entire population will appear before, One is the judgment seat of Christ which is for the believers in Him and the other is the Great White throne of God the Father which is reserved for those who reject Christ.

The first judgment seat is for reward while the Great White throne is for condemnation. As the bible states, ‘He that has the Son of God HAS life while he that hath NOT the Son of God hath not life but the wrath abideth on him’. Please note that the word abidith declares a present and remaining state of being which is this case is eternal banishment from Christ and the Father.

38 posted on 09/14/2013 2:58:54 PM PDT by dglang
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