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1 posted on 09/15/2013 12:19:55 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 09/15/2013 12:20:15 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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Communist states imposing state atheism tells me all I need to know. All atheistic cop-out arguments fall flat against the backdrop of such a bloody history.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

— Psalm 14:1 and 53:1

3 posted on 09/15/2013 12:23:56 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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Atheism == Communism.
Communism == Liberalism.
Liberalism == DemonRATS.

The DemonRATS booed God. They are servants of Satan (or Allah) but I repeat myself.

4 posted on 09/15/2013 12:24:07 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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It is, by definition, a religious belief despite their semantics. It should not be given preference over other religious beliefs.
5 posted on 09/15/2013 12:34:43 PM PDT by Washi (She was Hannah Montana when Bush was president. Thanks a lot Barack Obama! :))
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If you believe in nothing you’ll fall for anything.


6 posted on 09/15/2013 12:37:10 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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This lifelong atheist has gradually made a transition from negative atheism to positive.

By the bye, before I proceed a single word further, please let me state I'm an atheist by belief or faith. My beliefs are neither more nor less provable than the Jew's, Christian's, Hindu's, or anyone else's. Ultimately, it's all a matter of belief.

I started out at the ripe old age of about three, if you can believe such a strange thing, believing there is no God. That's an essentially negative belief. Well into my forties, while hanging out with a decidedly religious friend, I began to shift toward actively or positively disbelieving in all things "spiritual;" concurrently, I gradually turned much less argumentive and much more tolerant.

All that said™, if you think I'm embarrassed by the behavior of many of my fellow atheists in America today, you're entirely correct. All too many are leftist extremists of the most morally and intellectually immature kind. I'm much more the Ayn Rand kind of atheist.

7 posted on 09/15/2013 12:37:35 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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While I have held the position of "weak" atheism for quite a while, of late I find myself leaning towards ignosticism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism

Ignosticism is the view that a coherent definition of a given religious term or theological concept must be presented before the question of the existence or nature of said term can be meaningfully discussed. Furthermore, if that definition is unfalsifiable, the ignostic takes the theological noncognitivist position that the question of the existence or nature referred to by the term, for the given definition, is meaningless.

Some philosophers have seen ignosticism as a variation of agnosticism or atheism, while others have considered it to be distinct.

8 posted on 09/15/2013 12:40:36 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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Atheism is now a religion in my opinion.


9 posted on 09/15/2013 12:41:01 PM PDT by blastbaby
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Neither.

It is a conscious rejection of God and an intellectual game of solitaire that refuses to seek God.

Pointless discussions.

Man knows there is a greater being but, if he does not feel compelled to seek him out then he can contrive a myriad of reasons why it would be pointless.

For instance, if the aethiest were to seek God and given the number of religions and their faiths he would have to start with “Which God?”.

Just be a witness and maybe, quietly, they will one day seek God.


13 posted on 09/15/2013 12:52:36 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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I’d neither describe it as a belief or a lack of belief.

It is simply a worldview.


14 posted on 09/15/2013 12:58:33 PM PDT by Viennacon
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Thank goodness I’m a “heathen”. A nun in my Catholic high school confirmed that. I’ve been fine with it ever since.


15 posted on 09/15/2013 1:02:05 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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Atheists believe in God. They just see God as the enemy to be defeated.


17 posted on 09/15/2013 1:13:57 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama: the bearded lady of the Muslim Brotherhood))
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It may not be belief but it has large conviction.


18 posted on 09/15/2013 1:14:06 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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Atheists will demand to be married in a church and can’t be told no.


23 posted on 09/15/2013 1:28:27 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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It is a belief that they know where we came from and what is out there and the belief there is nothing like a god or higher being or spiritual universe. They cannot provide facts to back up their claims, therefore, it is simply their beliefs, a religion in itself.


24 posted on 09/15/2013 1:32:49 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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There is belief; and unbelief. pick one. choose wisely.


25 posted on 09/15/2013 1:37:06 PM PDT by joelt
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A weak agnostic merely claims that while he doesn’t know if God exists, it is possible that someone else may know.

Some may know because they have direct observation or experience of God intervening in their life.

26 posted on 09/15/2013 1:37:46 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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Why does it matter? I don’t see that it does one whit.


33 posted on 09/15/2013 1:55:51 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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I thought atheism was the lack of a belief in God and agnosticism was believing in God but not in religion. Is it odd that to have faith in God, yet lack faith in religious dogma?

I went through an atheist phase as a young teen, who would tell God that I don’t believe in you. God saw it different and I feel blessed with the continual presence of God every in moment, even when I am not conscious of it. And though I wouldn’t call myself an agnostic by what I thought was the definition of the word, I do find religious dogma to often be no more then the demand to conform to some other person’s vision of God rather then God’s vision for all and each of us.

I do find atheists are often angry and bitter as well as contrary. The contrary ones won’t believe in God because they will do the opposite, thinking it makes them appear more capable and independent. The angry and bitter ones are miffed that God seems more mythical then magical. They’re angry at God because life is not perfect and all their desires are not met. For this they rage against God and against those who believe in God. Not long ago a started reading a biography of Madalyn Murray O’Hair, and as I suspected she was one of the angry, bitter atheists, who want vengeance on God for the bad things in their life. She set out to destroy God because he didn’t control her life and instead she ended up destroying herself and her loved ones. She didn’t destroy God. God was always there watching over her and telling her to turn back, but she didn’t because she couldn’t let go of her disappointment, her anger and her bitterness. She went where her anger took her rather then where God would have taken her. And where her soul is now, is between her and God.


43 posted on 09/15/2013 2:33:21 PM PDT by This I Wonder32460
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Lack of Belief.


53 posted on 09/15/2013 3:08:26 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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