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1 posted on 09/17/2013 5:42:00 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 09/17/2013 5:42:26 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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They insisted upon—even enforced—among their followers the starvation of very sick children...

While human life was in the crosshairs, animal life was sacrosanct. The Albigensians would never take an animal’s life. This was because they believed in something like reincarnation, so a dead person’s soul might be within an animal.

It never occurred to them that they might be "reincarnated" as a sick child? Or that an alive person's soul resided in a sick child?

4 posted on 09/17/2013 5:57:19 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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Generally a good article.

However, it should be remembered that almost everything we know about the Albigensians was written by their enemies, at a time when rhetoric against one’s enemies (or the enemies of God) was often unrestrained by anything resembling respect for truth.

Check out what the same people at this time said about the Jews, and somewhat later said about Protestants. (And what Protestants said about them, and about the Jews for that matter.)

Not defending those of Albi, just pointing out that the bare truth about them may have been embroidered somewhat.


5 posted on 09/17/2013 6:06:25 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
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Well, there's nothing new under the sun, and there are only two philosophies: God's and Satan's.

Anything not of God is of Satan, and contradictions don't matter to him.

6 posted on 09/17/2013 6:07:35 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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It was a barbaric time. So many were subjected to "the rack".


7 posted on 09/17/2013 6:08:53 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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Very thought-provoking article. The Evil One is adept at recycling his most effective lies.

Pray that people return to God....SOON!


12 posted on 09/17/2013 6:27:31 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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I’ve had evangelical protestant friends point to the Albigensians as the “underground remnant” of true Christianity in opposition to the Catholic church of their day.

(This allows protestants to offer a timeline going back before the Reformation.)

Anyway when I explain what the Albigensians really believed, they either concede the point (and implicitly acknowledge that their pastor was misleading them about the Albigensians) or accuse me of lying for the church.


13 posted on 09/17/2013 6:35:17 AM PDT by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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Some details that are often missed when discussing the Spanish Inquisition, were first, that the laity in Spain were utterly horrified by not just the heterodoxy, or even heresy, but the rise of debauched and perverted paganism, often using the church itself for its purposes.

Second was that the existing Spanish royal inquisition was not only ineffective in dealing with this, but in some ways sponsoring it. This is why the desperate petition to Rome for a real Inquisition, carried out under the auspices of what is now the Holy Office.

While Christendom in Europe swept away paganism, in many cases, it did not destroy it, just drove it and its practices underground. In many parts of Europe, even today, pagan practices have been integrated into the local practice of Christianity.

With the rise of official atheism in France, spreading outward through Europe, eroding national churches already in decline, it is no surprise that pagan beliefs are again returning to the fore.

Likewise, heterodoxy and outright heresy, in some cases arising from within the church itself.


14 posted on 09/17/2013 6:39:34 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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from the article: " Few people recall that that almost maniacal rebellion against Catholic teaching and, for that matter, commonsensical and civilized living was the trigger for the much-misunderstood Inquisition."

Speaking of "maniacal":

In another report:

But at least there were no gas chambers, or crematoria, so it's all cool, right?


15 posted on 09/17/2013 6:54:46 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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They were certainly a forerunner of Protestantism and even more specifically of the most ardent of contemporary fundamentalists, with their complete rejection of the Real Presence, transubstantiation, the Eucharist, and the Mass, and their belief that the pope was the Antichrist.

This was their only 'crime'...I have no doubt (along with many historians) the charges against these Christians was fabricated by the Catholic religion to keep Catholics from seeking out the Albigensians...

The crimes of ALL heretics to the Catholic religion are posted in the first paragraph here...

The Albigensians are equated by the Catholic religion as being the forerunners of Protestantism as well as immorality, sexual perversion and all the ills of the world...The nasty Protestants...

If I had lived back then, I proudly would have been an Albigensian...

21 posted on 09/17/2013 7:57:12 AM PDT by Iscool
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26 posted on 09/17/2013 11:17:46 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mystery isn't something that is gradually evaporating. It grows along with knowledge. - F. O'Connor)
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37 posted on 09/18/2013 5:16:53 AM PDT by narses
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