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John 6:53 - Unless you eat My flesh
http://proclaimingthegospel.org/equip/articles/47-john-6-53-unless-you-eat-my-flesh ^ | Unknown | Mike Gendron

Posted on 09/17/2013 8:25:21 PM PDT by jodyel

"Unless You Eat the Flesh of the Son of Man and Drink His Blood You Have No Life In You"

Are these words of Jesus from John 6:53 to be taken literally or figuratively? The Roman Catholic Church teaches the context of John chapter six and the above headlined verse 53 are literal. Thus Jesus is giving absolute and unconditional requirements for eternal life. In fact, this literal interpretation forms the foundation for Rome's doctrine of transubstantiation -- the miraculous changing of bread and wine into the living Christ, His body and blood, soul and divinity. Each Catholic priest is said to have the power to call Jesus down from the right hand of the Father when he elevates the wafer and whispers the words "Hoc corpus meus est." Catholics believe as they consume the lifeless wafer they are actually eating and drinking the living body and blood of Jesus Christ. This is a vital and important step in their salvation and a doctrine they must believe and accept to become a Catholic.

If priests indeed have the exclusive power to change finite bread and wine into the body and blood of the infinite Christ, and if indeed consuming His body and blood is necessary for salvation, then the whole world must become Catholic to escape the wrath of God. On the other hand, if Jesus was speaking in figurative language then this teaching becomes the most blasphemous and deceptive hoax any religion could impose on its people. There is no middle ground. Therefore the question of utmost importance is -- Was the message Jesus conveyed to the Jewish multitude to be understood as literal or figurative? Rome has never presented a good argument for defending its literal interpretation. Yet there are at least seven convincing reasons why this passage must be taken figuratively.

Counterfeit Miracle

There is no Biblical precedent where something supernatural occurred where the outward evidence indicated no miracle had taken place. (The wafer and wine look, taste and feel the same before and after the supposed miracle of transubstantion). When Jesus changed water into wine, all the elements of water changed into the actual elements of wine.

Drinking Blood Forbidden

The Law of Moses strictly forbade Jews from drinking blood (Leviticus 17:10-14) A literal interpretation would have Jesus teaching the Jews to disobey the Mosaic Law. This would have been enough cause to persecute Jesus. (See John 5:16)

Biblical Disharmony

When John 6:53 is interpreted literally it is in disharmony with the rest of the Bible. "Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you," gives no hope of eternal life to any Christian who has not consumed the literal body and blood of Christ. It opposes hundreds of Scriptures that declare justification and salvation are by faith alone in Christ.

Produces Dilemma

It appears that the "eating and drinking" in verse 6:54 and the "believing" in verse 6:40 produce the same result - eternal life. If both are literal we have a dilemma. What if a person "believes" but does not "eat or drink"? Or what if a person "eats and drinks" but does not "believe?" This could happen any time a non-believer walked into a Catholic Church and received the Eucharist. Does this person have eternal life because he met one of the requirements but not the other? The only possible way to harmonize these two verses is to accept one verse as figurative and one as literal.

Figurative In Old Testament

The Jews were familiar with "eating and drinking" being used figuratively in the Old Testament to describe the appropriation of divine blessings to one's innermost being. It was God's way of providing spiritual nourishment for the soul. (See Jeremiah 15:16; Isaiah 55:1-3; and Ezekiel 2:8, 3:1)

Jesus Confirmed

Jesus informed His disciples there were times when He spoke figuratively (John 16:25) and often used that type of language to describe Himself. The Gospel of John records seven figurative declarations Jesus made of Himself -- "the bread of life" (6:48), "the light of the world" (8:12), "the door" (10:9), "the good shepherd" (10:11), "the resurrection and the life" (11:25), "the way, the truth and the life" (14:6), and "the true vine" (15:1). He also referred to His body as the temple (2:19).

Words Were Spiritual

Jesus ended this teaching by revealing "the words I have spoken to you are spirit" (6:63). As with each of the seven miracles in John's Gospel, Jesus uses the miracle to convey a spiritual truth. Here Jesus has just multiplied the loaves and fish and uses a human analogy to teach the necessity of spiritual nourishment. This is consistent with His teaching on how we are to worship God. "God is Spirit and His worshippers must worship in spirit and in truth" (John 4:24). As we worship Christ He is present spiritually, not physically. In fact, Jesus can only be bodily present at one place at one time. His omnipresence refers only to His spirit. It is impossible for Christ to be bodily present in thousands of Catholic Churches around the world.

When Jesus is received spiritually, one time in the heart, there is no need to receive him physically,


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Theology
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To: Stingray
I think you need to go back and read Paul’s writings, especially to the Galatians.

I like 5:12.

701 posted on 09/24/2013 5:10:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Stingray
You don’t understand spiritual things because you only see the world through eyes of flesh.

Making it about someone and mindreading in the same reply.

Cool!

702 posted on 09/24/2013 5:11:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Stingray
No thanks. I read the whole Bible, not just the parts I like or that agree with my “religion.”

I 'like' Galatians 5:12...

703 posted on 09/24/2013 5:12:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: editor-surveyor

There is none so blind...


704 posted on 09/24/2013 5:12:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Stingray
I would if I thought you were genuinely interested in learning. I suspect, however, doing so would just be a monumental waste of my time and effort.

We appear to have a MORMON on our hands!

705 posted on 09/24/2013 5:13:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
The Ark contained:

..and NOTHING else.

706 posted on 09/24/2013 5:14:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
She is the Ark that appeared in Heaven (Rev 11:19).

Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant.


Big Catholic stretch!

707 posted on 09/24/2013 5:18:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Stingray
If I’m Obama, you’re Debbie Wasserman-Schultz! LOL!


708 posted on 09/24/2013 5:20:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
And does this really seem logical?

You're a Catholic; and you ask a question like THIS??

709 posted on 09/24/2013 5:21:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Religion Moderator
 

Comment #666 Removed by Moderator

 
 
Gee thanks; Moderator. 
 
I was salivating with anticipation to see who'd get the NUMBER; and you've gone and spoiled my day.
 
Nothing left to do now, but to sit in the yard and eat womrs.

710 posted on 09/24/2013 5:26:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Stingray
God used an ass to speak to Balaam. At least Balaam listened.

Likewise, HE is using us to talk to you.

Will you get the message?

711 posted on 09/24/2013 5:27:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
The primary meaning of 'woman' in the following passage has to be Mary.

HAS to be?

Only to Rome.


She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”


Galatians 4:22-26
22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23 But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24 Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;[e] she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.

712 posted on 09/24/2013 5:35:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
nonsense, Lucifer is in Hell and will be there for all eternity

Now THIS is news!


1 Peter 5:8
Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.


Ephesians 2
1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.

713 posted on 09/24/2013 5:41:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl

Mary’s still dead.


714 posted on 09/24/2013 5:41:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl

...think TRADITION...


715 posted on 09/24/2013 5:42:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
Some of the writings in the days of the inquisition were evil enough to lead people away from the truth.

Oh?

We are now talking about WRITINGS?

Nice switch.

716 posted on 09/24/2013 5:42:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl

Yeah; like Moses...


717 posted on 09/24/2013 5:43:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: editor-surveyor

The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”

Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”


718 posted on 09/24/2013 5:44:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
would that be anything like the protestant revolution??

Would that be anything like the Catholic COUNTER Reformation?

719 posted on 09/24/2013 5:45:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
The Catholic church is the only complete and true Christian church on Earth...

You are WRONG; member of the Whore of Babylon.

It's The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints!

--MormonDude(We have the WHOLE truth!!!)

720 posted on 09/24/2013 5:47:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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