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To: Mike Darancette; jodyel

” I believe because it is absurd (or impossible). A phrase attributed (maybe falsely) to Tertullian (160-220), by which is meant that a Christian believer is not scandalized at the apparent absurdity or impossibility of such revealed mysteries as the Incarnation, that God became man, or the Real Presence, that Christ is truly present under the Eucharist species.”


Lots of people believe in the real presence of Christ during the Lord’s Supper. Not too many people believe in Roman Catholic transubstantiation though. The question is, did Tertullian believe that the bread and wine was literally transformed into the body and blood of Christ?

“He says, it is true, “that the flesh profits nothing;” John 6:63 but then, as in the former case, the meaning must be regulated by the subject which is spoken of. Now, because they thought His discourse was harsh and intolerable, supposing that He had really and literally enjoined on them to eat his flesh, He, with the view of ordering the state of salvation as a spiritual thing, set out with the principle, “It is the spirit that quickens;” and then added, “The flesh profits nothing,”— meaning, of course, to the giving of life. He also goes on to explain what He would have us to understand by spirit: “The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.” In a like sense He had previously said: “He that hears my words, and believes in Him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but shall pass from death unto life.” John 5:24 Constituting, therefore, His word as the life-giving principle, because that word is spirit and life, He likewise called His flesh by the same appellation; because, too, “the Word had become flesh,” John 1:14 we ought therefore to desire Him in order that we may have life, and to devour Him with the ear, and to ruminate on Him with the understanding, and to digest Him by faith.” (Tertullian, On the Resurrection of the Flesh, Chapter 37. “Christ’s Assertion About the Unprofitableness of the Flesh Explained Consistently with Our Doctrine.”)

Unless you believe Christ was really eating and drinking His own body, and was lying when He called the cup, after the prayer, “the fruit of the vine,” then we’re forced to side with Tertullian against transubstantiation.


66 posted on 09/17/2013 10:01:19 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Unless you believe Christ was really eating and drinking His own body,

Jesus divided the bread, poured the wine and partook of both before it was presented to the disciples. I do not doubt that Christ performed this transubstantiation.

71 posted on 09/17/2013 10:19:02 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (The Presidency is broken.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“Unless you believe Christ was really eating and drinking His own body, and was lying when He called the cup, after the prayer, “the fruit of the vine,” then we’re forced to side with Tertullian against transubstantiation.”

Where does it say that Christ ate and drank?

Matthew 26:26-29

26 Now as they were eating,[a] Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” 27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you; 28 for this is my blood of the[b] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.


145 posted on 09/18/2013 6:16:57 AM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Not too many people believe in Roman Catholic transubstantiation

how many billions of Catholics do you suppose there were living over the last 2,013 years??????

192 posted on 09/18/2013 8:20:46 PM PDT by terycarl
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