Posted on 09/27/2013 7:11:44 AM PDT by NYer
Fairly mediocre answer. The best reason is far simpler: Because it’s wrong.
YHWH isn’t “Yahweh” any more than Kent Hrbek’s name is Homerbek. The fact that it’s impossible to pronounce is precisely the point: The letters were chosen because there is no possible combination of implied phonemes in the Hebrew language; the best you can get is “Yahuwehee,” in which case the speaker sounds like the blooming idiot he is for trying to pronounce a name given precisely because it cannot be pronounced.
“Jesus” is the name of the Incarnate Son of God, but not of God the Father, or of the Son considered apart from the Incarnation (as when speaking of the Persons of the eternal Trinity), or of the Holy Spirit.
Notice that we don’t say “In the name of the Father, and of Jesus, and of the Holy Spirit.”
I have a Lectionary that used the JB. It’s no longer “allowed” in the U.S. since the USCCB mandated the use of the new, worse-than-ever version of the New American Bible.
One does not live by bread alone, you know.
I have different versions of Bibles myself. Got the new NAB also. Good to do some scripture comparison.
“Jesus” is the name of the Incarnate Son of God”
Not to be picky, but since this is a technical article the name of the Son of God is really “Yeshua.”
That’s what mom and step-dad called Him, anyway.
Somewhere along the lines a Greek editor decided we were too stupid to handle his given name, not sure.
Joshua loves me this I know doesn’t sell cds....funny how english bibles have no trouble with the english translation of Joshua in the OT...
His jewish mother knows His name. somebody should ask her...
I LOVE this! The working of the Trinity debated on FR! Is this a great country and a great website or what!
I wont bother defending my position because, um, wait, it’s coming to me, ..., yeah, because I’m right.
I’ve been mulling over Colossians 1:12-20 and what it means that Jesus is the image of the invisible God.
And of course, we can’t say that one person is PART of God, because God is simple.
I guess in keeping with that line of thought, I have considered the Tetragrammaton to be a name for God THROUGH being a Name for the 2nd Person.
And, as long as I’mbeing vgue and impressionistic, we have the archaic credal formulation Kyrios Iesous — which would seem to make an ID between the two names, to judge by the use of Kyrios in the LXX.
Just a thought. The whole thing needs more thought.
Well, we can apply a similar argument to say that “Jesus” is unacceptable, since that wasn’t his Hebrew/Aramaic name. I prefer to believe that our merciful God knows what we are trying to say and doesn’t hold something as silly as a mispronunciation against us.
YHWH, by the meaning of the letters individually, according to the ancient form of Hebrew, literally means: 'Behold the Hand, Behold the Nail'.
Is there any reason why that Name should not be shouted from the rooftops? The very first testimony of Yeshua is in the very first utterance of the NAME, in the very beginning.
Fine; the article was correct in asserting that the suppression of the use of “Yahweh” was never supposed to be a big deal. No-one is calling anyone a heretic for having used it; simply, the church declines to continue using something which is in error. But it’s not like “Jesus.” Changing Jewish phonemes to Greek ones doesn’t create any incorrect implications (although, it would seem advisable to change Joshua the judge to Jesus, also, so readers would be aware of where Joshua came from.) Changing YHWH to Yahweh, on the other hand, defeats the entire purpose of “YHWH.”
Jesus.
Confirmed. Fascinating!
“Changing YHWH to Yahweh, on the other hand, defeats the entire purpose of “YHWH.””
Respectfully, that is just your opinion. I don’t believe that God ever made his name “unpronounceable”, since the OT is full of people “calling on the name of the Lord”.
AMEN.
As a lector, I find the NAB very heard to use. One would have to be an actor of the caliber of Jason Robards Jr. to read many of its texts in a way that would be meaningful to the congregation.
It’s not my mere opinion that there is no valid phoneme combination in Hebrew with which to pronounce, “YHWH.” A fact is either true or false.
“It’s not my mere opinion that there is no valid phoneme combination in Hebrew with which to pronounce, “YHWH.” A fact is either true or false.”
No, a “fact” (really an assertion) can be true, false, or we could lack the necessary information to make a determination. In this case, from a purely scholarly viewpoint, the third option is the most sensible conclusion.
You see, there are no ancient Hebrew speakers who we can ask this question to and get a definitive answer. We have modern Hebrew speakers, and ancient Hebrew linguists, but neither of them are in a position to make such a definitive statement. The best they can say is that they don’t think there was any such combination. They really can’t know.
Now, we may not be able to say definitively if there was such a combination, but the best evidence we have of ancient Hebrew usage is undoubtedly the Bible, which, in the text, demonstrates that the name was in fact spoken, inferring strongly that it was pronounceable.
If you are a Christian, then the textual evidence is more than an inference, it is inspired Scripture. So, in that case, the option that our current understanding of ancient Hebrew is correct, and the text is wrong, is out the window. The logical conclusion is that our current understanding of ancient Hebrew is incomplete. Of course, we already know that from many other evidences besides this one.
Are you suggesting that there is textual evidence for a pronunciation of “YHWH”? That the Jews and ancients somehow missed? That when the texts were copied over by ancient Christians for public reading, the needlessly substituted “Kyrie” (”LORD”) for “YHWH” because the simply didn’t pick up on something which told them how to pronounce it?
Oh, and your point about assertions being true, false, or unknownable is well-taken; but then use the word, “assertion” instead of “opinion.” An opinion, by nature, is unable to be proven.
“Are you suggesting that there is textual evidence for a pronunciation of “YHWH”?”
I am stating that the text states clearly, and multiple times, that the name of the Lord was a spoken word, at that time. Just search for “call on the name of the Lord” and see how many times that phrase is used. Here, I’ll do the heavy lifting for you:
http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=call+on+the+name+of+the+lord&version1=NIV&searchtype=all
Obviously, if they were calling on the name that much, they must have known how to pronounce it. Somewhere along the line, the exact pronunciation may have been lost, but the textual evidence contradicts the idea that God never wanted anyone to attempt to pronounce it. Quite the opposite, in fact, because it is always encouraged and portrayed as a good thing in the Bible. Those who called on the name of the Lord were blessed for doing so.
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