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Some thoughts on Holy Trinity from physicist's perspective
Pravda ^ | October 1, 2013 | Professor Michael Pravica, Ph.D

Posted on 10/01/2013 6:01:44 AM PDT by don-o

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Pravda. You read that right. Pravda.

I confess that I am not clear on the fourth dimension. The Fifth Dimension I do recall from the 60's.

1 posted on 10/01/2013 6:01:44 AM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o

Space... or time? One of those.


2 posted on 10/01/2013 6:03:25 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: don-o

The original article includes Rublev’s icon of the Most Holy Trinity (represented by the three angels who visited Abraham).

Michael Pravica is a Serbian-American physicist (Ph.D., Harvard) and activist. He’s one of the good guys!!!!


3 posted on 10/01/2013 6:12:45 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: don-o
I confess that I am not clear on the fourth dimension. The Fifth Dimension I do recall from the 60's.

It is sdescribed in H.G. Wells' "Time Machine".

Things in the physical universe need height, length, depth, and duration. Time is the fourth dimension.
4 posted on 10/01/2013 6:18:14 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: don-o

Humans have a need to fit things within some sort of cohesive little sphere. There are some Entities that don’t fall within those boundaries.


5 posted on 10/01/2013 6:18:44 AM PDT by Silentgypsy (the seed spawn of zor-ketthraa!.)
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To: don-o
Pravda is more credible than the MSM, these days.

Plus the stories about stuff like the Russian Army fighting off martians and stuff is a total hoot.

6 posted on 10/01/2013 6:18:58 AM PDT by OKSooner (What's the NCAA gonna do, suspend OSU from the first half of its first game next season?)
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To: Honorary Serb
Rublev’s icon of the Most Holy Trinity

 photo Rublev.jpg

7 posted on 10/01/2013 6:27:28 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Just my luck here I am stuck in the 63rd dimension.But I too remember the 5th dimension from the 60’s.. and HG Wells “time Machine “ as well -still looking for where I was when I parked it.


8 posted on 10/01/2013 6:27:58 AM PDT by Robert Burkholder
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To: don-o

“How can three be one and yet be distinct at the same time?”

Three Persons, One God.

It is an ineffable mystery, but it is not a case of 3 equaling 1 and not equaling 1 at the same time.

The Trinity has three Persons. We know this by Christ’s revelation of God.

But we state that God has more than one person each and every time we say that “God is Love”.

For if God was/contained only one person then who would He love while being Himself, whole and entire for the whole immensity of eternity that existed before He created angels and men?

Only the doctrine of the Trinity captures this mysterious dance at the center of all things - that God is Love and also the unselfish object and subject of that Love.


9 posted on 10/01/2013 6:28:10 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: don-o
Meredith Brooks explained how many could be one in this song (language)
10 posted on 10/01/2013 6:43:53 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: don-o

I’m an Old Testament believer where the physics therein appear more consistent to me.


11 posted on 10/01/2013 6:56:34 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: fella
Um, no, that's called Modalism.

It's the the nontrinitarian belief that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are different roles of one "Unitarian" God, as perceived by the believer(like a guy who's a son, a husband and a father, but still one person) rather than three distinct persons eternally existing within the One Godhead.

Tsk. Heresy.

12 posted on 10/01/2013 7:01:31 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (:o))
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To: don-o

**Pravda. You read that right. Pravda.**

That shocked me too.

What an elegant discussion of the Trinity.


13 posted on 10/01/2013 7:01:52 AM PDT by maica (Welcome to post-rational America.)
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Nice try. We humans with finite minds will never be able to understand the infinite...


14 posted on 10/01/2013 7:02:29 AM PDT by bennowens
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To: don-o

This is great, thanks for posting. As a physics fan, I will find this useful in conveying a portion of the reality to some physicist friends who are groping toward the Faith. A lot of physicists are finding that, Hawking’s desperate efforts notwithstanding, they can’t really argue persuasively with Guth’s work. There are some distinguished physicists who are priests.


15 posted on 10/01/2013 7:02:55 AM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: don-o

“I was forced to “think outside of the box (universe)” so to speak”......................

LOL. That statement says it all. Can God be contained in a box? No. That’s the answer. Faith in God is a gift, and is not confined by any mortal logic.

For the sake of some stubborn scientists/atheists, however, I applaud his writing.


16 posted on 10/01/2013 7:05:23 AM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: agere_contra

I believe one of the best ways to describe the Trinity is from a Chemistry persepective: Water! Water can be solid (ice), liquid (water), or gas (steam or water vapor). Each of these forms of water is different (solid, liquid, or gas) but each are exactly the same! Water! Even Christ is sometimes described as the Living Water.

These are the three phases of nature, and each pure substance can exist in the three phases. Maybe a little reminder for us in the works of God in His universe.


17 posted on 10/01/2013 7:26:37 AM PDT by Chemistry Ken
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To: Gumdrop; don-o; bennowens

We can NOT know God in His Essence. Therefore, we cannot explain God by our logic or science.

We CAN—by Grace—know God in His Energies. (Grace is one of His Energies.) This kind of knowledge is more akin to knowing another person whom we love than knowing by logic or through the senses. It may happen, for example, through the Holy Sacraments of the Orthodox Church, or via deep prayer. (See especially the writings of St. Gregory Palamas.)

http://orthodoxwiki.org/Gregory_Palamas

Michael Pravica’s essay is useful, however, for those of us living in a science-based world, which includes all of us, even Orthodox Christians.

Meanwhile, there are some physicists and mathematicians who are trying to convert quantum theory to a branch of probability, thus eliminating the wave/particle duality, etc. (I imagine that these researchers are atheists, too.) However, in my mind, this divorces quantum theory from observation and experiment, and it thus ceases to be real science.


18 posted on 10/01/2013 7:32:58 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: bennowens

Perhaps... yet, the good news is- recognition does not require full understanding.


19 posted on 10/01/2013 7:37:09 AM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Chemistry Ken

Don’t forget the shamrock begorra.


20 posted on 10/01/2013 7:39:07 AM PDT by DManA
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