Posted on 10/05/2013 5:29:52 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
Family is the vocation that God wrote in the nature of man and woman, but there is another vocation, complementary to that of matrimony: the calling to celibacy and to virginity for the Kingdom of Heaven. It is the vocation that Jesus himself lived. How to recognize it? How to follow it?
I answer you with two essential elements on how to recognize this vocation to the priesthood or to consecrated life: praying and walking in the Church. These two things go together, they are intertwined. At the source of every vocation to the consecrated life there always is a strong experience of God, an experience that is not forgotten, that is remembered all through life! It is the one that Francis had. And we cannot estimate or program it. God always surprises us!
It is God who calls; but it is important to establish a daily relationship with Him, to listen to him in silence before the Tabernacle and in the intimacy of our own selves, to talk to him, to stay close to the Sacraments. Having this familiar relationship with the Lord is as it were to have open the window of our life, so that He may make his voice heard, what he wants from us.
I want to say one thing to you strongly, especially today: virginity for the Kingdom of God is not a "no", it is a "yes"! True, it includes renunciation to a marital bond and to one's own family, but at its foundation there is the "yes", as a response to the total "yes" of Christ for us, and this "yes" makes [us] fertile.
Franciscus Meeting with the young people of Umbria (Italian) October 4, 2013
Progressives are saddened.
So someone gives you a picture of a human race that when young is idle and when old is lonely and you shrug it off as "silly talk"? I this it is a precise diagnosis of the spiritual condition of the neo-pagan world that we live in.
“So someone gives you a picture of a human race that when young is idle and when old is lonely and you shrug it off as 'silly talk'?”
That isn't what I said, now is it? I said calling these two things the two biggest problems in the world is silly talk.
But it's just the sort of thing my buddies at the bowling alley would say while shooting the breeze.
sitetest
Right, this is where I disagree. The pope gave an accurate picture of the condition of our time, and you don’t think it is pointing out a big problem. You think it is silly talk.
Again, you badly misquote me. But I must employ the “’new hermeneutic,’ one in which we don’t attach value so much to individual words as to the overall sense.”
Nonetheless, you've missed my overall sense, too.
I didn't say youth unemployment isn't a big problem, or that lonely old people isn't a big problem.
But the two biggest problems in the world??
At this point, I would ordinarily begin to delve into the reasons why these aren't Numbers 1 and 2 on the Global Big Problems Greatest Hits Chart, but I must remember to use the “new hermeneutic”! Would I criticize my buddy at the bowling alley for saying such a thing? Well, actually, yes I would. I hold my bowling alley buddies to a higher standard of "hermeneutics" than, apparently, we are to hold the pope. But that's all beside the point!
Under the “new hermeneutic” of Pope Franky (he DOES want to be casual about things), I shouldn't be so obsessed by the meanings of actual words.
Thus, I'd like to condition my statement that what the pope said in this case is “silly talk.” It would only be “silly talk” if we were to take seriously the meaning of the words spoken by the pope. Now that we've gone all PoMo, of course it's not “silly talk.” Or perhaps I should say, it's all “silly talk,” and thus, it really doesn't matter. I'm not sure about that. It may talke a while for me to get all this "new hermeneutic" down pat. Please be patient with me.
As long as you're getting all warm and fuzzy from it, that's all that matters.
Unless you don't like “warm and fuzzy” feelings, in which case, I guess you might be out of luck.
But hey, we're just all shooting the breeze, including the pope, so... It's All Good.
sitetest
Again: I agree with His Holiness that unemployed youth and solitary old age are the biggest two problem in the world, and I explained why.
Please get lost with your “Franky”.
Um, no. It means that a Pope...a Catholic Pope should consider the biggest evils things that, I don’t know, are sins?
Are those things bad and should we care about them? Yes. But are they evils?
Oh, I forgot, he thinks the Church has been obsessing too much on real evils according to Catholic teaching like gay marriage and abortion.
This guy isn’t pope, he’s a Democrat.
The most serious of the evils that afflict the world these days are youth unemployment and the loneliness of the old.
That's right. The most serious of the evils.
Unbelievable.
You mean there are others who are too perfect? (Sitetest is not one of them, btw, I simply misunderstood his reply.)
People need to listen. Pope Francis has had a huge impact on many of the people in my parish and also on some of the clergy who I thought had become simple bureaucratic apparatchiks.
Of course, people will misinterpret him for political reasons. I know somebody who is using him to attack the Latin Mass, even though Francis said nothing of the sort...he just said that we shouldn’t sit around arguing about different types of the Mass when there are people out there dying for the Gospel message.
His recent Assisi homily and even impromptu talks were much more orthodox than anything that JPII ever said, particularly at Assisi.
I will admit that I didn’t like him at first either, but within a few days, I saw what an impact he was having, and that really changed my mind.
Orthodox? You’ve got to be kidding.
He’s the most modernist of the VII popes.
It’s not only Sitetest you misunderstand. You obviously misunderstand the current humanist Bishop of Rome (he hates to use the word “pope””).
He has no intent to convert anyone.
Proselytism is “solemn nonsense”.
Atheists can go to heaven as long as they follow there conscience; but get this, everyone as their own sense of good of evil!
Humble Jorge has forbidden a religious order, Franciscans of the Immaculate, from offering the TLM.
That had nothing to do with the TLM but was a problem within the order, which seems to have a dissident faction. For better or worse, I think Francis acts quickly.
He can always reconsider. Pope JPII didn’t intervene with the supposedly conservative Legionaries although he should have. BXVI got Maciel out immediately, but the damage had been done.
I think there was something else going on in that order.
Are you kidding???!!! It has everything to do with theTLM.
The Pope is a petty man. It’s like a father who tells his kids, “You’ve disobeyed me all week. As your punishment, I’m not taking you to Mass this Sunday.”
These are social consequences of sin. Right on. And abortion, homosexuality, left wing economics are consequences of idleness of the youth and fear of old age.
As of this post that I'm currently answering, you've made no argument to support your assertion (and the pope's assertion). You make an argument a few posts later, that I'll address in a subsequent post, but at this point, you haven't explained anything.
But, no matter, using the “’new hermeneutic,’ one in which we don’t attach value so much to individual words as to the overall sense,” we don't need no steenkin’ arguments! Whatever we assert is true! I'll follow my conscience to find what's good for me, you follow yours to find what's good for you, Pope Franky can follow his to find what's good for him, and we'll all hold hands and sing a little ditty by Haugen and Haas!
sitetest
You really need to get with the program! “Problem,” “evil,” what's the difference? After all, the pope's spokesman has told us to use the “’new hermeneutic,’ one in which we don’t attach value so much to individual words as to the overall sense.”
Don't be so fussy over one little word!
Of course, if we were still taking the meanings of words seriously, you would be right. And, with either “problem” or “evil,” the assertion (devoid of any supporting arguments) that these are the two greatest problems or two greatest evils in the world, would be silly talk, if we were still taking the meanings of words seriously.
sitetest
I guess that works in the “new hermeneutics,” since we can then ignore that in the United States, the legal regime of abortion on demand, and widespread use of that legal regime, came decades before any mass idleness of youth.
I could go on to point out further logical problems with your bare-bones argument, but why bother? The pope's communications are meant to be casual! This is the NEW genre of papal communications, “informal, spontaneous and sometimes entrusted to others in terms of its final articulation.” The pope is just shooting the breeze! “This isn't Denzinger, it's not canon law.”
So, why get so wrapped around the axle about categories like logic or causality or coherence? Or... truth?
sitetest
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