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To: jodyel
What thinks you?

Well; there seems to be ONE controlling document: the Book of LIFE.

If your name IS in it; then you're good to go.

If not; I hope you like the smell of brimstone.


Notice that there ARE verses indicating that your name CAN BE REMOVED FROM IT.


2 Peter 2:20-22

20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. 22 It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire."

32 posted on 10/08/2013 10:16:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Well, I believe in once save always saved...so will have to go in search of something to uphold that.


33 posted on 10/08/2013 10:41:56 AM PDT by jodyel
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To: Elsie

http://www.gotquestions.org/eternal-security.html

http://carm.org/christianity/miscellaneous-topics/eternal-security

https://bible.org/seriespage/assurance-eternal-security

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseverance_of_the_saints

Free Grace doctrine

The Free Grace or non-traditional Calvinist doctrine has been espoused by Charles Stanley, Norman Geisler, Zane C. Hodges, Bill Bright, and others. This view, like the traditional Calvinist view, emphasizes that people are saved purely by an act of divine grace that does not depend at all on the deeds of the individual, and for that reason, advocates insist that nothing the person can do can affect his or her salvation.

The Free Grace doctrine views the person’s character and life after receiving the gift of salvation as independent from the gift itself, which is the main point of differentiation from the traditional Calvinist view, or, in other words, it asserts that justification (that is, being declared righteous before God on account of Christ) does not necessarily result in sanctification (that is, a progressively more righteous life). Charles Stanley, pastor of Atlanta’s megachurch First Baptist and a television evangelist, has written that the doctrine of eternal security of the believer persuaded him years ago to leave his familial Pentecostalism and become a Southern Baptist. He sums up his deep conviction that salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone when he claims, “Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy… believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation.”[6] For example, Stanley writes:

Look at that verse [John 3:18] and answer this question: According to Jesus, what must a person do to keep from being judged for sin? Must he stop doing something? Must he promise to stop doing something? Must he have never done something? The answer is so simple that many stumble all over it without ever seeing it. All Jesus requires is that the individual “believe in” Him.

— Charles Stanley[6] (p. 67).

In a chapter entitled “For Those Who Stop Believing”, he says, “The Bible clearly teaches that God’s love for His people is of such magnitude that even those who walk away from the faith have not the slightest chance of slipping from His hand (p. 74).” A little later, Stanley also writes: “You and I are not saved because we have an enduring faith. We are saved because at a moment in time we expressed faith in our enduring Lord” (p. 80).

The doctrine sees the work of salvation as wholly monergistic, which is to say that God alone performs it and man has no part in the process beyond receiving it, and therefore, proponents argue that man cannot undo what they believe God has done. By comparison, in traditional Calvinism, people, who are otherwise unable to follow God, are enabled by regeneration to cooperate with him, and so the Reformed tradition sees itself as mediating between the total monergism of the non-traditional Calvinist view and the synergism of the Wesleyan, Arminian, and Roman Catholic views in which even unregenerate man can choose to cooperate with God in salvation.

The traditional Calvinist doctrine teaches that a person is secure in salvation because he or she was predestined by God, whereas in the Free Grace or non-traditional Calvinist views, a person is secure because at some point in time he or she has believed the Gospel message (Dave Hunt, What Love is This, p. 481).

Interesting that these kinds of things do not trouble me like they do some. I’ve no doubt all about my eternal security. To me this explains why, at the age of 9, I was saved when I professed true belief in Jesus but wasn’t discipled in my faith and fell into the world...until the age of 32 when I was drawn back. If I had died in between the ages of 9 and 32, I would still have been saved and gone to be with the Lord. Once saved, always saved....no doubt about it.

I also do not get all worked up about sin in my life. I will sin because I am still in a fallen state...I accept that. And when I do, I confess it to the Lord and ask His forgiveness and He grants it. I do not carry guilt over anything nor do I think again on the sins I have been forgiven for. I have perfect peace in the Lord. This does not, however, mean that the Lord keeps me or protects me from the consequences of my sin. I still have consequences to deal with. But I am forgiven and I am still saved.

Perhaps I am the odd person out but after the way that I have seen Him work in my life, seen the way He protects me and keeps me even during and after any sin, how could I think any differently? It is His job to keep me in the faith, His job to see that I am safe and secure now that I have believed on Him and accepted Him as my Savior. And I do truly believe with all my heart...just as a small child does.

Perhaps this is also why I do not get into nor really care about all the isms or all the theological study and whatnot. I am quite content to believe in Christ, let Him do the job of keeping me just as He said He will, and be obedient to His voice. And to be forgiven and deal with the consequences of my sin when I do fall. Just as a father picks up their child over and over again when they fall, so does our Father do the same when we fall. He does not kick us out of the house.

So that’s my story and I am sticking to it! :)


36 posted on 10/08/2013 11:12:42 AM PDT by jodyel
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