[Colofornian]

The Great Apostasy [Mormonism labels ALL Protestant, Catholic & Orthodox churches ‘apostate’] WoW.... what a bazaar statement....ON the Other hand.... SOME OF THEM ARE... [Hosepipe]

LOL...you mean just like the Catholics. Seems Mormons and Catholics have tons of stuff in common and none of it true Christianity. [jodyel, post #41]

If you go back to my post #6, there's at least one point there that not only Mormons need to listen to, but fellow Protestants as well:

Martin Luther NEVER saw himself as beginning a "new church" from scratch. The REFORMERS saw themselves as REFORMERS only!

Hence note the quote in the article of this thread: ecclesia semper reformans, semper reformanda - "the church is always reformed and always reforming."

I then said in post #6: Has the historic Christian church always been in need of ongoing reformation? Of course!

I added other comments there...one being that: "Mormonism makes a mockery of the apostle Paul as an apostle, had a complete apostasy already occurred."

And PROTESTANTS too, dare not make this same mistake!

As I cite this verse below -- I am applying it to the pre-Martin Luther reformation years of the Catholic Church:

The apostle Paul prophesied -- in Ephesians 3:21:

21 Unto him be glory IN THE CHURCH by Christ Jesus THROUGHOUT ALL AGES, WORLD WITHOUT END. Amen. [KJV]

20 Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, 21 to him be glory IN THE CHURCH church and in Christ Jesus THROUGHOUT ALL GENERATIONS, FOR EVER AND EVER! Amen.

[Ephesians 3, NIV]

Question now for you fellow Protestants who want to condemn the pre-Luther reformation years of the Catholic church to total apostasy: What part of "in the church"..."throughout all ages/generations"... & "for ever & ever/world without end" don't you understand?

Yes, the 16th century (& before) Catholic church was badly in need of reformation; but be careful --lest you wind up calling the apostle Paul a "false prophet" for his declaration in Ephesians 3:21!

Per the prophetic declaration of Eph. 3:21, God in fact DID receive glory -- even if limited in many ways -- from those within the Catholic church prior to the Reformation.

[donmeaker]

I figure that Paul was talking about the catholic church, and the current organization is the Catholic church. One is the universal community of believers, and the second is the commercial brand of one small part of that community.

[Elsie]

REMEMBER:

The best MORMON tactic is to get P's and C's to fight!

That way, they can tuck their little tails between their legs and slink away.

[jodyel]

Don’t claim to be protestant, mormon, catholic, or anything but born again and filled with the Spirit.

So not applicable to moi, but thanks anyway.

[hosepipe]

Question now for you fellow Protestants who want to condemn the pre-Luther reformation years of the Catholic church to total apostasy: What part of "in the church"..."throughout all ages/generations"... & "for ever & ever/world without end" don't you understand?
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I'll answer that... "the Church" is not an organization it's a family..
Most all churches are synagogues.. with officials and titles..

The titles in "the Church" are father mother and child..
Most all churchs are CLUBS.... not a family..

A Body............................. not as in Club BUT as in family..
John 10 talks of coming OUT of the sheep pen...
Therefore out of the synagogue(club)..