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Basically Good People: The Great Modern Heresy
http://the-american-catholic.com ^ | October 8, 2013

Posted on 10/10/2013 6:04:05 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

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1 posted on 10/10/2013 6:04:05 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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People seldom do what’s right. They do what’s convenient, then repent. [Robert Zimmerman]


2 posted on 10/10/2013 6:10:51 AM PDT by Roccus
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Maybe Robert Zimmerman knows the wrong kind of people.


3 posted on 10/10/2013 6:14:04 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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To: NKP_Vet
Define "good". Jesus does.

"As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.” Mark 10:17-18

4 posted on 10/10/2013 6:18:54 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Tax-chick

Then I guess I do too.


5 posted on 10/10/2013 6:19:07 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: NKP_Vet

Isn’t that the same argument as “Jesus did X. Jesus is a good person. Therefore X is good.”? Is it not the christian philosophy that virtue is doing what God does, and sin is doing what the devil does?


6 posted on 10/10/2013 6:24:52 AM PDT by Driabrin
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That’s too bad. Life is hard enough without being surrounded by people who can’t think beyond what’s easy to what is right.


7 posted on 10/10/2013 6:30:58 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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To: NKP_Vet

There are no “basically good people”. No, not one.


8 posted on 10/10/2013 6:38:29 AM PDT by Boogieman
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“...people who can’t think beyond what’s easy to what is right.”

THOSE people are called ‘children’. Right?

THEY have an excuse for taking the ‘moral shortcut’... it’s the duty of adults to show them the difference.


9 posted on 10/10/2013 6:38:54 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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THOSE people are called ‘children’. Right?

I have a house full of those, and yes, our goal as parents is to have them grow past, "What's easiest for me?" and learn to ask, "How can I do good for others, right now?"

10 posted on 10/10/2013 6:40:16 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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Yes, but the key thing to note about that is that God only does good, while humans do both evil and good. So if you try to apply the standard that works with God to humans, or you will get flawed results. Garbage in, garbage out.


11 posted on 10/10/2013 6:41:12 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Bosco; NKP_Vet
Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

This. Until a person grasps this truth the actions of the people around them (and often their own actions) will confuse and perplex. Once you realize that people are not basically good, but are actually inclined toward evil, the world will suddenly make sense.

12 posted on 10/10/2013 6:43:12 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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When asked, “What’s wrong with the world?” G.K. Chesterton responded, “I am.”


13 posted on 10/10/2013 6:45:18 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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My observation is that all people follow the “path of least pain”. For some, that path clearly follows the Savior’s example because it would cause the person mental and spiritual anguish to deviate from that goal. For others, the path is what causes the least temporary pain.


14 posted on 10/10/2013 6:54:46 AM PDT by Pecos (Kritarchy: government by the judges)
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Hey, I live in America. Look at what we have elected to lead us and why. Where do you live?


15 posted on 10/10/2013 6:57:59 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Tax-chick

Chesterton is spot-on as usual.


16 posted on 10/10/2013 7:21:32 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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I live in a house, on a street, in a subdivision, in a town, near a church (in North Carolina, fwiw) ... and I meet a lot of people who are exerting themselves to do kind and helpful things for others, when it would be easier not to.


17 posted on 10/10/2013 7:25:42 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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To: jboot

Yes ... concise and inarguable. I believe it was also he who observed that no reasonable person needs more proof of original sin than what he reads in the newspaper.

(You don’t even need a newspaper: just stay in your own house and observe your family, or look in the mirror!)


18 posted on 10/10/2013 7:28:48 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
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I’m frequently amazed that people are not worse than they are.


19 posted on 10/10/2013 7:42:28 AM PDT by Argus
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Ask most Americans about salvation and the “good person” heresy comes to the front quite quickly—Catholics often add in something about purgatory.

“I don’t know if Joe believed in Christ, but he was a good person, so God wouldn’t send him to Hell. (He may have to just spend some time in purgatory.)”


20 posted on 10/10/2013 7:54:54 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (Mahound delenda est)
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