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Finding a home in the confessional thanks to Pope Francis
NC Reporter ^ | October 10, 2013 | Renée Schafer Horton

Posted on 10/11/2013 2:45:26 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 10/11/2013 2:45:26 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

A remarkable article from the National Catholic Reporter.


2 posted on 10/11/2013 2:46:28 PM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: Truth2012; jodyel

Catholics "know Him" through the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

In John 20:21 - before He grants them the authority to forgive sins, Jesus says to the apostles, "as the Father sent me, so I send you." As Christ was sent by the Father to forgive sins, so Christ sends the apostles and their successors forgive sins.

In John 20:22 - the Lord "breathes" on the apostles, and then gives them the power to forgive and retain sins. The only other moment in Scripture where God breathes on man is in Gen. 2:7, when the Lord "breathes" divine life into man. When this happens, a significant transformation takes place.

In John 20:23 - Jesus says, "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven. If you retain the sins of any, they are retained." In order for the apostles to exercise this gift of forgiving sins, the penitents must orally confess their sins to them because the apostles are not mind readers. The text makes this very clear.

In Luke 5:24 - Luke also points out that Jesus' authority to forgive sins is as a man, not God. The Gospel writers record this to convince us that God has given this authority to men. This authority has been transferred from Christ to the apostles and their successors.

In 2 Cor. 5:18 - the ministry of reconciliation was given to the ambassadors of the Church. This ministry of reconciliation refers to the sacrament of reconciliation, also called the sacrament of confession or penance.

James clearly teaches us that we must “confess our sins to one another,” not just privately to God. James 5:16 must be read in the context of James 5:14-15, which is referring to the healing power (both physical and spiritual) of the priests of the Church. Hence, when James says “therefore” in verse 16, he must be referring to the men he was writing about in verses 14 and 15 – these men are the ordained priests of the Church, to whom we must confess our sins.

Acts 19:18 - many came to orally confess sins and divulge their sinful practices. Oral confession was the practice of the early Church just as it is today.

Christ is the only mediator (1 Tim. 2:5), but He was free to decide how His mediation would be applied to us. The Lord chose to use priests of God to carry out His work of forgiveness.

James clearly teaches us that we must “confess our sins to one another,” not just privately to God. James 5:16 must be read in the context of James 5:14-15, which is referring to the healing power (both physical and spiritual) of the priests of the Church. Hence, when James says “therefore” in verse 16, he must be referring to the men he was writing about in verses 14 and 15 – these men are the ordained priests of the Church, to whom we must confess our sins.

This command continued, as evidenced by the early Church Fathers. For example:

“In church confess your sins, and do not come to your prayer with a guilt conscience. Such is the Way of Life...On the Lord's own day, assemble in common to break bread and offer thanks; but first confess your sins, so that your sacrifice may be pure." Didache, 4:14,14:1 (c. A.D. 90).

3 posted on 10/11/2013 2:59:38 PM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: NYer

This is from the National Catholic Reporter, a newspaper that has been asked to remove the word Catholic from its title. Why should one believe anything printed in this self proclaimed liberal Catholic newspaper.


4 posted on 10/11/2013 3:14:15 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: NYer

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5 posted on 10/11/2013 3:21:12 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: CdMGuy; NYer
Nothing like flicking off good news like a piece of lint...

And this is the kind of thing Jesus said made the angels in heaven rejoice...

6 posted on 10/11/2013 3:25:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (adfgh)
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To: NYer

James 5:16 In view of the possibility of physical sickness following sin, believers should confess their sins (against one another) to one another (normally privately). Furthermore they should pray for one another so God may heal them (spiritually and physically). I have added the conditions in parenthesis above to clarify the meaning of James’ words.

Constable, T. (2003).


7 posted on 10/11/2013 3:36:16 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: NYer
made me want to be a better person and a more fulfilled, better practicing Catholic.

You either are a 'practicing' catholic or you are not. You can't pick and choose which of the sacraments or which of the traditions you follow. If you do you are a social catholic or a cultural catholic but not a 'practicing' catholic.

8 posted on 10/11/2013 3:57:30 PM PDT by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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To: CdMGuy

Well as the saying goes “a broken clock is RIGHT twice a day.”


9 posted on 10/11/2013 3:58:41 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: DWar
"You either are a 'practicing' catholic or you are not. You can't pick and choose which of the sacraments or which of the traditions you follow. If you do you are a social catholic or a cultural catholic but not a 'practicing' catholic."

True enough, friend, but is your tone a little accusatory? Is there anything this writer said, that would suggest that she is moving in the wrong direction on this?

My take is, this is a move toward greater perfection. I, myself, have found this a gradual process. One which has required patience, patience, patience... and a willingness to admit fault over and over.

10 posted on 10/11/2013 4:25:56 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (adfgh)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

James clearly teaches us that we must “confess our sins to one another,” not just privately to God. James 5:16 must be read in the context of James 5:14-15, which is referring to the healing power (both physical and spiritual) of the priests of the Church. Hence, when James says “therefore” in verse 16, he must be referring to the men he was writing about in verses 14 and 15 – these men are the ordained priests of the Church, to whom we must confess our sins.


11 posted on 10/11/2013 4:55:43 PM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thanks ... it’s rare that I post anything from the Reporter but this was indeed “good news”.


12 posted on 10/11/2013 4:57:31 PM PDT by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: NYer

What is always missed is that this sinning woman came to Jesus crying, she knew she was a sinner and was begging for forgiveness.

Today’s so-called lapse (c)atholics want to return triumphantly and with pride. They feel they have somehow been proven right on abortion and homosexual behavior and THAT is the reason they feel its time to come back. Not to weep at the masters feet, but to stand proudly and laugh at those who stand for the unborn and traditional marriage.


13 posted on 10/11/2013 5:09:12 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: NYer

“James clearly teaches us that we must “confess our sins to one another,” not just privately to God.”

No. In this passage the confession is to one you’ve sinned against.

“James 5:16 must be read in the context of James 5:14-15, which is referring to the healing power (both physical and spiritual) of the priests of the Church.”

No priests mentioned here. No priests listed as a church office in the NT.

“Hence, when James says “therefore” in verse 16, he must be referring to the men he was writing about in verses 14 and 15 – these men are the ordained priests of the Church, to whom we must confess our sins.”

No ordination mentioned either. Nor priests. If it were true that sin should be confessed to the elders mentioned earlier, he would have said to confess your sins to the elders instead of “to one another”.

He did not.


14 posted on 10/11/2013 5:09:13 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Accusatory of what? Just a statement of fact. It is a logical impossibility to be a ‘good Catholic’, good Christian or even a good conservative and deny or oppose the fundamentals.


15 posted on 10/11/2013 5:12:48 PM PDT by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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To: icwhatudo

Is there any indication that that is true of this author, Renee Horton?


16 posted on 10/11/2013 6:08:38 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (adfgh)
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To: DWar
I agree with you about the unacceptability of denying the fundamentals.

When I spoke of your comment seeming "accusatory," I meant that it seemed to be in reference to the article at the top of this thread, and therefore in reference to the author, Renee Horton. And yet I see nothing in the article which would justify such a judgment against Horton.

But perhaps you weren't referring to the article.

17 posted on 10/11/2013 6:12:21 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (adfgh)
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To: NYer

Individual confession and absolution is to be cherished in the Church. To be sure, there are abuses, but these are not the fault of faithful Pastors or the means whereby God would have the poor sinner hear and receive absolution. The world makes a mockery of it, but the faithful hear and believe what is written.


18 posted on 10/11/2013 6:38:10 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"We may not allow homosexuals to legally marry, but those in long-term monogamous relationships are really no different than people in long-term heterosexual unions, are they? If stability in relationships is what we want – and what some argue we absolutely need for the success of our country – shouldn’t we support things that increase stability in all partnered relationship? And if someone has been with the same person for two decades, what do you call that if not marriage?"

Renée Schafer Horton

19 posted on 10/11/2013 8:25:14 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"I always wonder how, with so many gay priests, the church manages to continue its proclamations. Renee Schafer Horton ‏@rshorton 25 May
20 posted on 10/11/2013 8:27:31 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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