Skip to comments.Jewish leaders express “shock” over SSPX decision to host Nazi funeral
Posted on 10/16/2013 2:33:05 PM PDT by NYer
Following yesterday’s thwarted funeral, some reaction in Italy:
The head of Rome’s Jewish community praised protesters who blocked the funeral of a convicted Nazi war criminal as Italy marked on Wednesday the 70th anniversary of the deportation of Jews from the Rome ghetto.
Erich Priebke’s final resting place is now unclear after the protesters forced a suspension of his funeral on Tuesday in the Italian town of Albano Laziale. His body is lying at a military airport near Rome pending a decision from the authorities.
The former German SS officer died aged 100 last week in Rome, where he had been serving a life sentence under house arrest for his role in the killing of 335 civilians in 1944 in caves near the capital, one of Italy’s worst wartime massacres.
At a ceremony in Rome’s main synagogue, the head of Rome’s Jewish community drew loud applause as he lauded the citizens and mayor of Albano Laziale for resisting Priebke’s funeral.
“For this we feel proud to be Romans,” the president of the Jewish Community of Rome, Riccardo Pacifici, said at the event to mark the anniversary of the Nazis’ rounding up of 1,000 Jews from Rome’s centuries-old ghetto and their deportation to Auschwitz. Only 16 of them survived.
“I do not even want to say his (Priebke’s) name, not to profane this sacred place,” said the head of Union of Italian Jewish Communities, Renzo Gattegna.
“He never repented of his crimes and repeated the most incredible arguments denying the Holocaust.”
Italian lawmakers debated on Wednesday a bill to outlaw denial of the Holocaust, in which some six million Jews perished. Several other nations already have such a law.
Meantime, Catholic News Service has more:
Bishop Marcello Semeraro of Albano, secretary of Pope Francis’ Council of Cardinals, told Rome’s Corriere della Sera newspaper Oct. 16 that the church would never prohibit prayers for someone, but canon law does allow a bishop to deny a public funeral to a “manifest sinner” when it would scandalize the faithful.
In Priebke’s case, he said, “the crime was public and notorious, the lack of conversion was public and notorious, and the scandal it would have raised in the Christian community was public and notorious.”
After agreeing to host the funeral, the Italian district of the Society of St. Pius X issued a statement on its website saying, “A Christian who was baptized and received the sacraments of confession and the Eucharist, no matter what his faults and sins were, to the extent that he dies reconciled with God and the church, has a right to the celebration of the holy Mass and a funeral.”
The statement said the SSPX condemns “every form of anti-Semitism and racial hatred, but also hatred under all its forms. The Catholic religion is one of mercy and forgiveness.”
The SSPX has a history of comments by its leaders expressing suspicion or hostility toward Jews. In 2009, after now-retired Pope Benedict XVI lifted the excommunications of the society’s bishops, there was widespread outrage at revelations that one of the four, Bishop Richard Williamson, had denied the gassing of Jews in Nazi concentration camps. The SSPX later ousted Bishop Williamson.
The New York-based Anti-Defamation League, which combats anti-Semitism, issued a statement Oct. 15 saying it was “shocked” that a “fringe Catholic sect” would agree to host the funeral of a “notorious Nazi war criminal.”
7. Take care, Venerable Brethren, that above all, faith in God, the first and irreplaceable foundation of all religion, be preserved in Germany pure and unstained. The believer in God is not he who utters the name in his speech, but he for whom this sacred word stands for a true and worthy concept of the Divinity. Whoever identifies, by pantheistic confusion, God and the universe, by either lowering God to the dimensions of the world, or raising the world to the dimensions of God, is not a believer in God. Whoever follows that so-called pre-Christian Germanic conception of substituting a dark and impersonal destiny for the personal God, denies thereby the Wisdom and Providence of God who "Reacheth from end to end mightily, and ordereth all things sweetly" (Wisdom viii. 1). Neither is he a believer in God.
8. Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community - however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things - whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds.
Well, well, well.
But there is always the possibility that the sinner who is sincere and contrite and makes a thorough examination of conscience and confession can be saved. The SSPX states the traditional position. Although earlier in his life the Nazi was certainly a manifest sinner, apparently he did not commit the unforgivable sin of final impenitence (”blasphemy of the Holy Ghost”).
In the 'testimony' which Priebke arranged to be published after his death, he expressed no regret for any of his actions in war
If so, and he did not recant the willful murder he committed for a neo-pagan cause, then he did not make a sincere Confession.
No way to know if the right thing was done or not.
IF he made a complete and genuine confession of his sins, and received the Eucharist, as SSPX states, then it would seem that he had a right to Last Rites and a funeral.
If it was still thought to be scandalous, then the funeral could have been held quietly in private.
Those are big ifs. The article also says that he never publicly repented his actions. That may or may not be true. Maybe he did not admit his wrongs at the trial, but repented later. And no way to know whether he made a good and valid confession, without a priest to testify as much.
He openly defied Church teaching throughout his life.
I would say that unless credible witnesses attest that he privately repented, he should not even be interred in consecrated ground.
That was what the Pope ordered: a private funeral, not held in a church. The SSPX decided to give him a church funeral.
The person who tried to hold this funeral is not a priest in good standing with the Catholic Church or with the SPPX.
How’d Teddy Kennedy get a public funeral?
I agree. It's awful, though, that this went on in the first place, and it's very unfortunate that it's not clear that the man had repented.
Ultimately, whatever rites were performed or not, God knows everything and decides his eternal fate.
I would think [as best as I can, anyways] the best way to send these Nazi bastards off would be to construct a creamatoria using bits and pieces from Dachau and Auschwitz, etc, fry ‘em up and toss the ashes in a river. [Been done already.]
You must ask his bishop.
This idolatrous level - does this apply to Obama or I can I feint at his presence in good conscience?
The Obama cult of personality is idolatrous.
By the way, if anyone is ever in Rome, you have to go to one of the Jewish restaurants there. Some of the best food I had in Italy.
In this case, the Jewish leaders should be told that this Nazi still deserves burial, and if they want for his body to be defiled, they should instead consider defiling the bodies of their Muslim enemies. Bury them in pits full of pig offal.
When they do this, then they will have the credibility to tell others to defile the dead.
Hey, if they give high mass to Ted Kennedy, why should this be a surprise?
This is what I was thinking. I’m trying to figure out what might be different between the sins of the two. Both may have very well have confessed and received absolution before death. However, if we believe that Kennedy should have made a public confession due to the public nature of his sins (supporting abortion), then I think we must be consistent and say that this man should have made a public confession as well.
I’m writing as I think, so I’m not sure if that made sense.
It makes perfect sense.
No one objected to burying him; they objected to a public funeral in a church, something the Pope said he should not have.
I don't know if Priebke repented at the moment of his death, but very shortly before he died, he wrote a letter (released by his lawyer after his death) in which he not only asserted his own innocence, he denied that the Holocaust had happened (he claimed that the crematoria at Auschwitz were actually ovens for feeding the prisoners).
“According to the BBC, Correction 16 October: An earlier version of this story mentioned Don Floriano Abrahamowicz and inaccurately described him as a St Pius X priest. He has in fact been expelled by the order.
Thank-you for pointing that out. A simple google search shows he was expelled from the SSPX almost 4 years ago. But that won’t stop people like Abe Foxman, Deacon Kandra, et al to attack the SSPX without a simple fact check.
Nothing the Catholic church does surprises me any more.
Nor are the excuses FRoman Catholics make for it, sadly.
The only unforgiveable sin in the eyes of the Catholic church is becoming a Protestant.
It sure doesn't seem that any other sin, no matter how abominable or heinous or depraved, stops them as much as a person converting to Protestantism.
This is ironic coming from the group that sneers at faith alone as *easy believism*. A Catholic can sin all they want as much as they like as long as they live and at the end, just make a confession and the priest will forgive their sins and give them a Catholic funeral and it’s all good.
Can anyone say *hypocrisy*?
The SSPX has a history of comments by its leaders expressing suspicion or hostility toward Jews. In 2009, after now-retired Pope Benedict XVI lifted the excommunications of the societys bishops, there was widespread outrage at revelations that one of the four, Bishop Richard Williamson, had denied the gassing of Jews in Nazi concentration camps. The SSPX later ousted Bishop Williamson.Y'know, not because they'd been unaware, but because he'd been outed.
The only unforgiveable sin in the eyes of the Catholic church is becoming a Protestant.
You can't be serious. Either that or you are grossly misled. I am a Catholic and I can tell you that the Church loves Protestants. It impersonates them at every turn and uses their music and forms almost exclusively. After all, we completely threw out our ancient liturgy so we could use one which Protestants might like. No, the only unforgivable sin in the Church today is that which the SSPX have committed. It is to deny modernism and pursue traditional Catholic piety. This is simply unacceptable. The pope will publicly praise and embrace homosexuals and atheists, but you will never see these gestures for the SSPX or their ilk. No, they are damned. Just consider that parishes all over the country are so liberal as to be puke-inducing, and they are never corrected. Puppet Masses, Barney Masses, Clown Masses; these are all just hunky-dory. They can teach any liberal idea, and promote all the Protestant concepts they like, and nobody will do anything but praise them. But, if they were to decide to offer the Traditional Latin Mass they would be gone so fast your head would spin. No, this is the unforgivable sin in the modern Church, and woe to the one who commits it.
St. Dismas -- a.k.a. "The Good Thief" -
Deathbed (or in this case, crossbound) conversions. I don't think they're to be sneered at.
That's why we should keep praying for people. There's the hope that even the very worst, at the very last minute, would come to Christ.
It does appear that way doesnt it? Even the Muslims are better since they are first.
CCC841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.
Or even those who dont believe in Jesus but just need to follow his own understanding.
1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery." Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.
But thats all different than the ones who believe you have to be Catholic to be saved including a supposedly infallible statement.
Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam: We declare, say, define, and pronounce [ex cathedra] that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. "If, therefore, the Greeks or others say that they are not committed to Peter and to his successors, they necessarily say that they are not of the sheep of Christ, since the Lord says that there is only one fold and one shepherd (Jn.10:16). Whoever, therefore, resists this authority, resists the command of God Himself. " Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam (Promulgated November 18, 1302)
But then they say its not Peter that the RCC is built on but his confession.
CCC424 Moved by the grace of the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.'8 On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church.9 "To preach. . . the unsearchable riches of Christ"10
And believe it or not that is all clear to Catholics so we have been told.
You know, when I relate all the doctrine I recall being taught as I was growing up Catholic, pre Vatican 2, I keep being told that I am (was) poorly catechized, and even have been accused of lying in stating that I was baptized and raised Catholic.
Interesting that they the modern RCC rejects both traditional Catholicism as well as most Protestantism and Evangelicalism. The only Protestantism it really accepts is the Episcopalian, as their priests can become Catholic priests and remain married. And most Evangelicals I know reject Episcopalian as being way too liberal. I can’t speak for mainline Protestantism.
I have problems with *puppet ministries* etc in church as well. One of my main areas of dissatisfaction with many Protestant/Evangelical churches is a lack of respect and awe of being in the presence of God. Honestly, the way people behave in churches and let their children run wild just grates on me.
I see your point.....
The issue isn’t the deathbed conversion.
Re-read what I posted. The hypocrisy is being condemned by certain RC’s while they’re busy applauding their own church for doing the same thing they condemn in non-Catholic denominations.
It's a hard thing to get quite right--- at least, it is for me --- because one can err on either side of it: presumption (No fear! No matter what, I'm saved!) and despair (No hope. No matter what, I'm damned.) We err by judging; we err by failing to judge.
There is an exactly right way to do this-- we can see it in Our Lord -- but we, in this life, find it so easy to become caricatures, with one garbled and fragmentary version of the truth, or the other.
Thank you for correcting me.
“The person who tried to hold this funeral is not a priest in good standing with the Catholic Church or with the SPPX.”
A likely excuse. The Pope and Magisterium obviously were going to sic the order of Albino assassin Monks on him if he didn’t do as they secretly wanted.
It’s the only thing that makes sense.
Oh yeah, I forgot to add that part.
This is what I don't understand. Today, he says, marks the 70th anniversary of the deportation of the residents of the Rome ghetto. But seventy years ago today Mussolini had already been removed (July 25), Italy had surrendered (September 8), and had actually joined the allies (October 13). Why would the new Allied government begin deporting Jews four days after declaring war on Germany?
“The only unforgiveable sin in the eyes of the Catholic church is becoming a Protestant.
It sure doesn’t seem that any other sin, no matter how abominable or heinous or depraved, stops them as much as a person converting to Protestantism.”
No truer words...at least on FR anyway. lol
I thought it was eating meat on Fridays.
Who knows really??
It is always something.
I always thought it was suicide but have been divested of that by some here.
I don't know if you know how true your statement is. My wife became a Christian, my Father in Law became a Christian before he died, my Sister in Law became a Christian, and I keep talking with my Brother in Law. The other relatives don't say to much to us anymore.
It's not really all good. The lost soul is just that - lost. They can confess to some priest all they want the act is misdirected. Unlike what their current Pope says there is only one way to the Father and that is through the Son, not Mary, not a priest, not an institution. Faith Alone in Christ Alone is the only way to be saved.
Hypocrisy...At its finest...
Dang, girl, you always take the words right outta my mouth!
Have you ever noticed how what you say just goes right over most C-heads here?
No need to apologize. Misunderstandings occur.
I would submit that anyone with the attitude of *I’m good so I can sin with impunity, God has to forgive me* (Or even God will forgive me), is not really saved. That person is just looking for fire insurance and that not what a relationship with Christ is all about. God will not be used and God will not be mocked.
OTOH, there is a great deal of comfort in the thought of my security, that my own human weakness and frailty, which leads to sin so often, will not condemn me. I’m secure, not because of who I am or what I do, but because of who HE is and what HE’S done.
It allows me the freedom to fail without fear. Perfect love casts out fear.
My confidence in my security in Him is NOT something I take for granted.
That was said tongue in cheek.
Where is this letter?
But supporting the murder of millions is OK. So I assume that if an abortionist in the U.S. died the the SSPX would jump at the chance to provide them a funeral?
We run into girls and women who say, "Yeah, definitely abortion is a sin, but Jesus is so merciful. He understands what's happening in my life right now and He loves me, so I know I can do what I need to do and He will forgive me. I'm, like, at peace about this, really I am."
We've even heard this: "I know a baby is a gift from God. But I'm, so not ready, so it's like I'm sending the baby on back to God so he can re-gift it to somebody who's ready. I know my baby forgives me."
"I've been saved since I was 12."
(As she walks across the parking lot to the abortion clinic door.)
It's --- I can't even describe how flabbergasting and soul-sorrowing this is to me, to all of us who pray out there on the street.
Meanwhile, one of our guys, a Presbyterian deacon, sent a letter out to every pastor in Upper East Tennessee and Southwest Virginia --- there are literally well over a thousand of them, this is a heavily Christian part of the country --- asking for prayer support, and got not one response.
And my friend Joe D. and his buddy went visiting pastors, and got the same story over and over:
"God bless you for what you're doing, but we can't get involved. Sure, abortion's terrible, but abortion is not a problem we run into in my church."
Where do they think these girls are all coming from? Manhattan?
Pray for us, metmom.