Posted on 10/20/2013 11:29:26 AM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
That’s because they don’t follow 2 Tim. 2:15. I’m convinced that all the error taught today could be corrected if people read and heeded that verse of scripture.
Narses, my sins are not overlooked. They are paid for. ALL of them. Past. Present. Future. Now pick yourself up from off the floor and breathe deeply. You’ll be back to your normal self soon...
And in those written words of God, there was only one single occasion where Jesus brought up the term 'born again', and He did so in reference to one thing and one thing only. And that thing happens to be the recurring topic in most of his teachings. It is in essence the gospel of Christ.
But if you happen to have more scriptural support in reference to the term 'born again' that gives that term meaning above and beyond what Jesus taught, then I am all ears.
There ya go - you and the other “once saved, always saved” crowd are free to sin at will.
Odd how that just doesn’t sound even close to Christianity.
Oh, what does it mean “Christianity”, narses? You tell me. Tell me the gospel. I can’t wait.
Sounds like something a Pharisee would say. Doesn't sound like something Jesus would say though.
"Examine yourselfs, whether ye be in the faith, prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ IS IN YOU, except ye be reprobates?" (2Cor. 13:5).
Any idea what that means?
Yep, that's the part that disgusts me. Obviously, Paul was a fool to go off preaching all those years, because once he got 'saved', he could have become a satan worshiper with no ill effect because he already had his free pass into heaven.
I am amazed by this mindset. Such thinking basically makes God out to be a complete fool. He is offering the opportunity to spend eternity with Him - an eternity of relationship with Him - yet He doesn't care if we reject Him in this trial run called 'life' as long as we claim we believe and declare ourselves 'saved'. As far as I can tell, this OSAS mindset reduces the Bible down to about a page and a half. All that talk about the kingdom of heaven and dying to self is just wasted ink.
OH, are you “disgusted” and “amazed” Hoodat? Fortunately for me, you didn’t die for my sins. See, I did not receive a “To Do” list from God. I received a “DONE” list. BTW: That’s what the FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST IS. It means FINISHED. DONE.
Smvoice isn’t being rude. Narses is Catholic, and one of the more loud ones on the forum. (But not a lot to say.) Smvoice is merely responding to Narses’ misrepresenting our position. Obviously no one actually believes that the elect can sin all they like. Our position has already been firmly stated in other posts in this thread, so all of this is really just going over old ground again.
It means that we should know whether Christ lives in us by our experience, behavior, and fruit. It has nothing at all to do with comprehending what you happen to say. Paul wasn’t arrogantly telling them, “Hey, if you can’t comprehend what I the great Paul am saying, then you need to examine whether you are even in the faith or not”.
Ah I apologize and you are correct. I, We, should make no attempt to apprehend God, or the world we live in. We should rather, sink into the soothing opiate of platitude and tradition without examination.
I wasn’t debating what Christ did. It’s about what we do. Faith requires action on our part. Merely saying we believe in something does not equate to getting out of the boat and doing something about it.
I will offer my Rosary for you tonight.
I agree...
“I will offer my Rosary for you tonight.”
You might as well sacrifice a baby goat to Beelzebub. It’ll have about the same effect.
If I have to know whether Christ lives in me by my experience, behavior, and fruit, then I say to you, I don’t know if His finished work for me saved me at all. Now, if you’re speaking about how OTHERS see me, that is different. But if a person has put his faith in the fact that if God says His Son’s death was the payment for his sins, that person is depending on God to keep HIS WORD to him. THAT’S eternal security. And that is what I’m saying, and doing. If God says it’s enough, then it’s enough.
So what? What does being Catholic have to do with scriptural truth?
I acknowledge that I am coming in at the middle of the discussion, but I am in steadfast agreement with anyone - Catholic or not - who points out that OSAS is bunk.
The Bible is quite clear that we will be judged for unconfessed sin. And that covers sin both before and after the point we declare ourselves 'saved'. Revelations is quite clear that even believers can end up in the burning lake of fire.
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