Posted on 10/20/2013 11:29:26 AM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
So true! Sad though how many doctrines there are out there based simply on man's rules.
It must be true...The face on the toast looks just like the face in the picture...
Don't know if you have heard. The Catholic NABRE is now on line:
You are one of the posters here that I respect most. We have been on the same side in the past. There's no need for this type of side comment.
Paul never used the term 'born again'.
He discussed the old man and the new man at length. Are you denying spiritual rebirth as a function of salvation?
Not at all. Not even close.
Or telling you why they’re right?
Happens a lot, doesn't it...I think I am getting used to it...
Well then, who certifies that you’re ‘born again, if Holy Jim Bakker (before he was indicted), or Saint Billy Graham (before he declared that there is freedom of religion in the Soviet Union) does not do it? You yourself? OK, fine, then I’m born again and I like the Catholic Church, and you can’t tell me that I’m not really ‘born again’!
I don't know what you mean by 'enter the Kingdom of God'. The kingdom exists within us.
But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
Matthew 6:33
I responded in the very next post. If you deemed my response to be incomplete, then ask for more input, and I will be more than willing to give it to you.
Exactly. Faith is NOT static, it is DYNAMIC as you opined.
“Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.”(Galatians 3:6)
Abraham was called by God to move out of the land of his fathers. He did so. What God told Abraham to do, he did it (sometimes not so perfect but he did it). Faith in action. Faith also implies FAITHFULNESS.
yet that is in contrast to osas
Well Jesus did call Judas the "son of perdition." I'm just saying...
I believe "born from above" is more accurate. However, even the footnotes of the Catholic NABRE say either "born again" or "born from above" is accurate. Saying "born from above" is not changing the meaning of the passage at all. As a matter of fact, some of the egg heads who dive into the Greek a lot more than we all do, some of them even use "begotton from above." I like that because like you I am Pro-Life and life begins at conception. The actual time a father 'begets' the child. So born from above is awesome and I like it because it is more accurate IMO.
Not only the Catholic NABRE has "born from above" but us dirty nasty Prots (/s) have the folks at Logos who published the Lexham English Bible (LEB). They tried to make that Bible as much a mechanical translation as possible and also came up with "born from above."
Very important point indeed. And a VERY dangerous proposition indeed. To deny the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin.
Indeed, I think that was the point of what Paul wrote in 1 Cor. 10 as he discussed the Israelites that were saved by crossing the Red Sea only to fail and be executed for their unfaithfulness.
Paul called them examples for us to consider and learn from.
People say they are “saved” and may be but that salvation is contingent upon continued faithfulness.
Here is what the "fundie" LEB says in John 3:3:
Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly I say to you, unless someone is born from above, he is not able to see the kingdom of God
Eww...No amount of Clorox is going to wash that from some minds:)
No, He was not, or they would not have rejected. Therefore, they never put John 3:16 faith in Him. And, when we look at the entire scripture, we discover that is true:
15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. 21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
Jesus begins the passage in question saying they are false prophets and wolves. It is these people who will, cynical to the last, be saying to the Lord, "...did we not prophesy in YOUR name..."
Users to the end. One reason they needed to be consigned to outer darkness for eternity.
Wow! Did I post something in which it implied I was passing judgment on you? I don't think so. If I did, please shoot me a note with my quote. Here is the best answer I can give you from John chapter 3:
8 The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
You are just plain wrong.
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