Skip to comments.Is "Ghost Hunters" host Grant Wilson a member? [of the Mormon church? Yes]
Posted on 10/25/2013 10:58:04 AM PDT by Colofornian
Grant Wilson is the co-founder (with Jason Hawes) of The Atlantic Paranormal Society (TAPS). TAPS is based in Warwick, Rhode Island. He is also the co-star and co-producer of "Ghost Hunters", a Syfy channel reality program that follows a group of people as they investigate paranormal phenomena and hunt for ghosts.
Wilson recently left the TV show. He is married and has three sons. He is also a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Not surprised. Ghost stories and the occult are staples of Mormon teaching and folklore.
Well when we immanentize the eschaton we can burn such at the stake or at least hang them all.
(Perhaps this Mormon was finding a new source of genealogical research???)
No one here is calling for violence against the LDS. Pointing out their history and false teachings is done because many of us have been one and care enough to see them brought to the truth.
However, LDS have shown violence against those who leave, and other gentiles (their term for non LDS) including death threats and bombs. So in your scenario, they are more likely to kill us if we don’t convert.
It’s been done before for that very reason.
Their fate is in God’s hands.
Your suggestion doesn’t fit with His plans.
I have no idea what this means. Can you translate into English?
Makes sense. Years ago, I watched an episode where he was attacking Christianity for not willing to explore the possibility of ghosts or hauntings.
I did not know that and I have never heard of the how either, so I guess that makes sense.
Are calling for violence against mormons?
Leonard Nimoy (Ancient Mysteries) is Jewish.
Arthur C. Clarke (Arthur C. Clarke’s Mysterious World} was raised Church of England but became “Pantheist.”
L. Ron Hubbard was nuts.
L. Ron Hubbard could have easily substituted Kolob for Venus in his religion.
According to Scientology, when a person dies or, in Scientology terms, when a thetan abandons its physical body they go to a "landing station" on the planet Venus, where the thetan is re-implanted and told lies about its past life and its next life. The Venusians take the thetan, "capsule" it, and send it back to Earth to be dumped into the ocean off the coast of California. Source: Thetan (Wikipedia)
Seems to me that, per the Mormon myth narrative, when when an earthling is becoming "encapsuled" they leave from a "launching station" on the planet Kolob, where the Mormon spirit is implanted inside a human body, and once born with a Mormon family, the Mormon is told lies about its past life and its next life. The Mormon gods take the Mormon, "capsule" it in that body, and send it to Earth to be dumped at age 8 into the Mormon baptismal founts off of many international coasts.
LDS (Mormonism) and Scientology: A Brief Theological Comparison Under one of the differences here, I actually see more of a connection...one mentions Mormonism's "exaltation to godhood"...Scientologists a "return to Thetanhood" as its "final goal."
Btw, if there are other resemblances between the two founders, presumably it is because Hubbard looked at Joseph Smith and the LDS and decided it would provide him with a very useful model for a successful religion. He gave it an SF twist, because that was what he was good at, and it probably amused him.
Well, Hubbard did have to "twist" any sci-fi that Mormon leaders hadn't already done before him -- just a lot less detail.
* Lds "prophet" Brigham Young: Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon? ...when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of their fellows. So it is with regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain.
Source: Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 271...1870 -- so keep in mind, Young had already been leading the Lds church for about 25 years or so when he made this comment.
Brigham Young's first counselor was "apostle" Heber C. Kimball: "Where did the earth come from? From its parents earths...The earth is alive. If it was not, it could not produce." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 36, 1857)
BTW, where did Brigham Young get his "source" re: the habitation of the moon?
Oliver B. Huntington: Nearly all the great discoveries of men in the last half century have, in one way or another, either directly or indirectly, contributed to prove Joseph Smith to be a prophet. As far back as 1837, I know that he said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived to a greater age than we do--that they live generally near the age of 1000 years. He described the men as averaging nearly six feet in height, and dressing quite uniformly in something near the Quaker style. In my Patriarchal blessing, given by the father of Joseph the Prophet in Kirtland, 1837, I was told that I should preach the gospel before I was 21 years of age; that I should preach the gospel to the inhabitants upon the islands of the sea, and--to the inhabitants of the moon, even the planet you can not behold with your eyes. The first two promises have been fulfilled, and the latter may be verified. From the verification of the two promises we may reasonably expect the third to be fulfilled also. (Source: Young Woman's Journal, Vol. 3, pp.
“Scientologists a “return to Thetanhood” as its “final goal.”
Don’t bank on it.....not if they think they can milk you for another $10,000....
Similarities between Mormonism and Scientology
o Based on entirely unevidenced stories
o Doctrines created and evolved over time, sometimes changing
o Known for their extreme desire for wealth
o Known for telling stories and lies
o Convicted and imprisoned for illegal activities
o Died during their trouble with the law
* Legal troubles
o Involved in many illegal activities, in many cases as part of official organization doctrine and practices
o Support destruction of outsiders, especially apostates (blood atonement, shunning, "fair game")
o Legal troubles led to changes in doctrine (at least on the surface, note polygamy and "fair game")
o Pre- and post-mortal existence
o Eternal progression (godhood, clear thetan)
o Only way to know truth is to experience it yourself
o Christianity, Bible only partly true
o Focus on thriving and happiness in present life rather than the afterlife or eternal life
o "Salvation" by works
o Give "milk" instead of "meat"
o Official endorsement of lying about or avoiding discussion of controversial doctrines, especially origin of man and key figures (Heavenly Father, Xenu, spirit children, thetans, etc)
o Levels can be achieved (Operating Thetan levels, temple Mormons, eternal progression, different kingdoms)
o Resistance is dismissed as proof/evidence of validity
o Persecution complex
o Label and treat opposition as evil enemies ("Antis", "Suppressive Persons")
1. Pre-existence of humanity:
LDS: All humans pre-existed in the spirit world before being born on earth.
Scientology: People were thetans in past lives + belief in reincarnation.
2. Unlimited potential for humans:
LDS: Heavenly Father (God) is an exalted man and LDS men may become gods with omnipotence and omniscience.
Scientology: People may become thetans again, regaining their freedom from matter, energy, space, and time (MEST).
3. Salvation only through their Church:
LDS: Exaltation and godhood only through the LDS Church.
Scientology: Recovering ones thetanhood only possible through Church of Scientology.
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Similarities between Mormonism and Scientology
Edgar Allan Poe was baptized and confirmed an Episcopalian.
o Convicted and imprisoned for illegal activities
o Died during their trouble with the law”
Oooops.....I don’t think Christians have a problem with this...
You see, when a Daddy Earth and a Mommy Earth love each other, they align their orbits....
Geron: You see, when a Daddy Earth and a Mommy Earth love each other, they align their orbits....
Now here's what's interesting. People might laugh when they read Kimball's comment, and your response. They might think that this is some outmoded obscure 19th century Mormon belief that was eventually jettisoned as Mormonism entered into modernism in the 20th century. But that's not the case.
If anybody goes to Lds.org -- THE OFFICIAL Mormon church Web site -- we can see an "element" of this teaching STILL being taught by the Mormon church even today!
Here's the phrase from Lds.org to which I'm referencing:
And Mormons wonder why Christians regard Mormonism as pagan animism...with its New Age-tinged like "the earth has a spirit" theology & its rampant polytheism?
Btw, this linked Lds.org article has LOTS of strange Mormon worldviews on "the spirit world"...for those who want to see two earlier-year discussions on this article, click on:
* The Spirit World, our Next Home
* The Spirit World, Our Next Home(The OTHER World Series: Mormon beliefs beyond this world)
Yes...in fact your comment just prompted me to post an entire thread on book written by a descendant of Poe... Poes book corrects falsehoods, explores spiritual development of Edgar Allan Poe
From that thread just posted:
2009 A new book by Union Universitys Harry Lee (Hal) Poe seeks to correct some of the misconceptions about his ancestor, Edgar Allan Poe. Hes generally thought of as a gloomy, dark loner, obsessed with death and that sort of thing, said Hal Poe, the Charles Colson Professor of Faith and Culture at Union. Actually, he was a rather cheerful, witty, friendly person who enjoyed music and singing with his friends around the piano. ...In the book, Hal Poe also discusses some of Edgar Allan Poes stories, and traces his spiritual development. Hal Poe said Edgar Allan Poe became a Christian before his death. Its a story of Poes spiritual experience and how he came to believe in the God who created the universe, and how he came to go forward at a revival meeting five weeks before he died, Hal Poe said. The book discusses all of his stories in light of the spiritual questions he was asking.
Your oft stated goal of posting stories about MormonISM and the horrors thereof is to bring current Mormons to the light. To convert them to true Christianity. Do I have that about right?
I’m missing the connection entirely on this particular thread.
How does a guy on a tv show about ghosts and paranormal behavior shed any light on the horrors and dangers of MormonISM?
My point may have been opaque but do you think Episcopalians believe in ghosts as a matter of theology or was Poe simply exploring the topic as a form of entertainment?
Well, this time of year is one when our culture tends to obsess upon the dead...
...tales of ghosts, vamps, monsters, gory films, etc.
And the point here is that Mormons have a Halloween obsess-with-the-dead culture year-around...
Genealogical research...big-time focus on the dead
Over a million endowments for the dead in Mormon temples...big-time focus on the dead
Necro-baptisms in the Mormon temples...big-time focus on the dead.
So here we have a "ghost-hunter." And what do ghost-hunters do? Big-time focus on the dead.
This guy's simply "careerizing" what his Mormon culture has ingrained within him.
(Is it any wonder that the Vampire series was written by what else? A Mormon)
You should spend your time explaining why Christians can’t seem to agree on how to practice Christianity.
Who’s right among the hundreds of Christian cult sects and why isn’t there just one Christian church?
Which sect should I join? Will I go to hell if I choose the wrong Christian church? If it doesn’t matter which one I join, why is more than one needed?
Christian are a very confused group.
Is it OK if I join the Westboro Baptists? The snake handlers? Those that speak in tongues?
Ask yourself: What defining characteristic is there for this group? For the Phelps (Westboro), it's picketing.
Is that reflective of historic Christian "Scripture?" (Answer: NO!)
Secondly the Phelps are better defined as one extended family -- versus a "church." (That's about all its "church" is made up of).
So there ya go...Stop using the existence of a family that likes to picket as an excuse for not more thoroughly investigating the Christian faith. (It's a rather lame excuse and one that won't sit well with God Almighty when you meet Him face-to-face)
Whos right among the hundreds of Christian cult sects and why isnt there just one Christian church?
Is there more than Christian denomination? (Of course!)
Is there more than one Christian family? (Of course!)
Is there more than one Person within the Holy Trinity? (Of course!)
So if God, Himself is defined as "diversity-within-Unity", why would you strangely somehow think that this same component of who He is wouldn't also be reflected in...
...in families on earth?
...in animal life? [distinct species of dogs, cats, etc...yet each are in the dog family...which is part of the larger animal family, etc.]
...in plant life?
...on and on and on!
What? Are you next going to start to complain how diverse families are on earth?
Well even tho Poe was a confirmed Episcopalian, that confirmation process usually ends around the end of middle school...he seemed to then back off that commitment starting during his teen years.
By age 27, I'd say what sums up his lack of morals could be found in that he married his 13-year-old cousin at this age!
Unfortunately, there are "bookends" people -- tho "spiritual" at the beginnings -- and end-- of life...
Marrying a cousin was the norm for the vast bulk of human history; the little villages that were home to most humans offered few other options. Bar Mitzvas are held around the thirteenth birthday because that was the low end of the marrying age, again for most of human history.
The facts of Poe’s marriage are hardly evidence of immorality given the time. It may have been a stain on the reputation of Jerry Lee Lewis to do so but I doubt it was much news in Poe’s day.
Have Mormons "proxy baptized" him?
Is there a reason we are supposed to care about this revelation?
Major, major, major correction: The Lds have been working on their second 100 million endowments for the dead for over a quarter of a century!
You mean MORMONs??
Joseph Smith, the first prophet of the modern Mormon Church, once wrote thirteen basic principles of Mormon beliefs. These are called The Articles of Faith. The seventh says: We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
Yuh gotta love the PRECISE language used in the AoF.
This phrase shows up TWICE!
At least he married her!
Go back to sleep.