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Baptistís BYU visit marks thaw in Mormon-evangelical cold war
roonte.com ^ | 10/30/2013 | Adelle M. Banks

Posted on 10/30/2013 8:29:22 PM PDT by Ripliancum

Last month, after being sure to get his caffeine fix at Starbucks, Southern Baptist leader Richard Land went where few evangelicals had dared to go before: the Provo campus of Brigham Young University, the intellectual heart of Mormonism.

After lecturing on "family, faith, freedom and America," Land attended a BYU football game with LDS leaders and joined them to hear James Taylor sing with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. Days later, George O. Wood, the general superintendent of the Assemblies of God, also visited BYU, followed by the Rev. R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of Southern Baptists’ flagship seminary.

Is there a new détente — perhaps more practical than theological — between evangelicals and Mormons?

For more than a decade, Mormon and evangelical scholars have discussed their differences and similarities, and even written books together. But leaders of the two faiths appear to have reached a new juncture, with some on both sides seeing benefits in more public engagement.

"At the very least, the two communities, evangelicals and Mormons, have been … each other’s worst enemies," said Richard Mouw, the former president of Fuller Theological Seminary and a longtime proponent of evangelical-Mormon dialogue. "There’s a significant part of the evangelical movement that is now having healthy and friendly conversations, and it’s gone from a group of two dozen scholars talking to each other to church leaders meeting each other, going to see each other."

(Excerpt) Read more at roonte.com ...


TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: baptist; byu; evangelical; evangelicals; highereducation; lds; ldschurch; mormon
Despite the daily onslaught of Mormon bashing threads on FR, it's nice to see actual evangelical leaders in the nation having respectful dialogue on the shared attributes between Mormons and traditional Christians.
1 posted on 10/30/2013 8:29:23 PM PDT by Ripliancum
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To: Ripliancum

Daily?
Exposure is not bashing.
mormonism is not Christianity, regardless what some guy says.


2 posted on 10/30/2013 8:31:33 PM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains' obama's Americaas ord)
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To: svcw
>> mormonism is not Christianity, regardless what some guy says. <<

And the interesting this is that NO mainstream Christian denomination sees Mormonism as Christianity. Yet according to the mainstream media, only "evangelicals" hold that view. Since when did Catholics, Orthodox, and mainline protestants ever claim Mormons are Christians?

3 posted on 10/30/2013 8:42:46 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: svcw
>> mormonism is not Christianity, regardless what some guy says. <<

And the interesting thing is that NO mainstream Christian denomination sees Mormonism as Christianity. Yet according to the mainstream media, ONLY "evangelicals" hold that view. Since when did Catholics, Orthodox, and mainline protestants ever claim Mormons are Christians?

4 posted on 10/30/2013 8:43:07 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: Ripliancum

This reminds me of a quote that a Catholic offered from Luther on another thread, as an insult against him, which actually I quite enjoyed:

“Those pious souls who do good to gain the Kingdom of Heaven not only will never succeed, but they must even be reckoned among the impious; and it is more important to guard them against good works than against sin.” (Wittenberg, VI, 160, quoted by O’Hare, in ‘The Facts About Luther, TAN Books, 1987, p. 122.)

What better proof against the cult of good works than in these “Christians” legitimizing a religious cult upon the basis of their “shared values”, IOW, alleged love of good works? (This is a religion, by the way, which routinely pressures families to separate from those who leave their religion! And we are talking about ‘shared values’?) No matter what their sentiments are, or what their alleged goodness is, each and every one of them is a soul on its way to hell, unless they come out of the snares of this wretched religion which seeks to subvert the body of Christ!

As for these “Christians”:

“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
(2Jn 1:9-11)

2Co_6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

A pity these “Christians” decided to sell out, instead of doing the only thing a Christian can do amongst such a group: Call for their repentance, and declare a war against the false teachings of Joseph Smith.


5 posted on 10/30/2013 8:46:00 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Ripliancum

This is a terrible mistake, unless they are asking the mormons to convert and become Christians.


6 posted on 10/30/2013 8:48:26 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: BillyBoy

I can not name a single Christian group as you mentioned that says mormonism is Christianity, and why would they, it’s not.


7 posted on 10/30/2013 8:49:14 PM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains' obama's Americaas ord)
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To: Ripliancum

“The recent Utah meetings, which came at the invitation of LDS leaders, have centered on faith, family and religious freedom. Mohler — who was careful not to paper over doctrinal distinctions in his BYU speech — addressed joint concerns about the intersection of those issues.”

A link that works:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57062262-78/evangelical-byu-mormon-mormons.html.csp

A common belief in the traditional family - albeit with ONE wife - does not mean Baptists believe Mormons are Christians. They are not. Heck, I agree with Putin’s views on homosexuality, but that doesn’t make me a Commie Pinko...


8 posted on 10/30/2013 8:55:41 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

You can’t contain yourself, can you?


9 posted on 10/30/2013 8:57:15 PM PDT by Oratam (Thank you St. Jude!)
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To: svcw

If there was any question we’re in a Laodicean age, that question is answered.


10 posted on 10/30/2013 8:59:47 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: wmfights

“The outreach has gone both ways. In September, Taylor joined two members of the LDS Quorum of the Twelve Apostles at the Washington installation of Russell Moore, who succeeded Land as head of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission.

“It’s clear where we disagree, but we’re standing together in the public square for religious liberty,” said Moore, who has recently spoken with Mormon officials about military chaplains’ religious rights.”

That part is fine. The problem with going to BYU is this:

“...Stephen Webb, author of the new book “Mormon Christianity: What Other Christians Can Learn from the Latter-day Saints.”

“It’s not just the fact that evangelicals are being more curious about Mormons and being more willing to listen to them and learn from them....”

The Father of Lies won’t bother to be scrupulous with the truth!


11 posted on 10/30/2013 9:00:50 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: wmfights
This is a terrible mistake, unless they are asking the mormons to convert and become Christians.

Richard Land never fails to disappoint.

I've got a feeling he won't make it past the next General Assembly meeting of the SBC as their leader.
12 posted on 10/30/2013 9:01:57 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Oratam

“You can’t contain yourself, can you?”


I’m like a can of soda. But the good kind, like from Mexico, the apple-sodas. And when you shake me with your heresy, I explode in tasty scripture.


13 posted on 10/30/2013 9:07:12 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Ripliancum

Bad move on the part of the SBC. They would do both their people and the LDS people more good by drawing the lines of distinction very clearly.


14 posted on 10/30/2013 9:17:42 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Ripliancum

True Christianity preaches the cross of Christ.

15 posted on 10/31/2013 7:28:32 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Ripliancum

The lds-org denies that Jesus is the Creator, that everything was created THROUGH Him, BY Him and FOR Him.

They deny that Jesus created even the angels out of nothing.

They do NOT teach the truth about Jesus.

16 posted on 10/31/2013 7:30:03 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Ripliancum

Is Romney going to run again?


17 posted on 10/31/2013 8:03:34 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Psalm 37:7)
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To: svcw

2 Timothy (NKJV) Chapter 4 ( Geneva )

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;

( 2 Timothy 4:3 Faithful Pastors in times past took all occasions they could, because men were very prompt and ready to return to their fables.)


18 posted on 10/31/2013 8:14:58 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Psalm 37:7)
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To: Ripliancum
Baptist’s BYU visit marks thaw in Mormon-evangelical cold war

Oh?

From which side?

19 posted on 10/31/2013 8:46:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ripliancum
Despite the daily onslaught of Mormon bashing threads on FR, it's nice to see actual evangelical leaders in the nation having respectful dialogue on the shared attributes between Mormons and traditional Christians.

Tell me R; do you agree with the statements made here by your chosen religions leaders about TRADITIONAL Christians???



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).



20 posted on 10/31/2013 8:49:22 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BillyBoy
Since when did Catholics, Orthodox, and mainline protestants ever claim Mormons are Christians?

Good question; but the WRONG one:

Since when did TCOJCOLDS ever decide to claim Mormons are Christians?

21 posted on 10/31/2013 8:50:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Oratam
You can’t contain yourself, can you?


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

22 posted on 10/31/2013 8:52:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mr Rogers
“It’s not just the fact that evangelicals are being more curious about Mormons and being more willing to listen to them and learn from them....”

I daresay the MORMONs on FR learn MORE about their chosen religion here than they do in their 'churches'!

23 posted on 10/31/2013 8:54:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dragonblustar

Has he got money left?


24 posted on 10/31/2013 8:55:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

What does “TCOJCOLDS” stand for?


25 posted on 10/31/2013 8:58:42 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: Elsie

26 posted on 10/31/2013 9:03:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BillyBoy

27 posted on 10/31/2013 9:05:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I was going to post

“In before the multi color, multi font, heavily bolded, heavily linked massive copy and paste posts”

but alas, I was too late.


28 posted on 10/31/2013 9:06:14 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (Who told you that you were naked? Genesis 3:11)
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To: Pan_Yan

So posting mormonism’s word is offensive?


29 posted on 10/31/2013 10:15:37 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains' obama's Americaas ord)
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To: svcw
So posting mormonism’s word is offensive?

No, but incessant spamming, no matter how well intentioned, is annoying.

30 posted on 10/31/2013 10:19:46 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (Who told you that you were naked? Genesis 3:11)
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To: Pan_Yan

Don’t read it then.
There are new people on these threads all the time, so the info needs to be repeated. It’s that simple


31 posted on 10/31/2013 10:23:57 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains' obama's Americaas ord)
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To: Elsie
Has he got money left?

The Rinos will come up with that.

32 posted on 10/31/2013 10:55:08 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Psalm 37:7)
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To: Ripliancum

I disagree...Mormonism is a cult wrapped in lies and misleads many into it’s stronghold of which it’s tenticles drive deep into the soul of person and does not let go easily.

The world is gearing up for the “great deception” God has promised......cozying up with ‘counterfeit’ cults and religions only “rots the apple barrel”.

God designed distinctions for a reason. Christianity is distinct from all others and is centered on the man Jesus Christ......Mormonism centers on works and attaches Christian lingo to their false creeds and beliefs to sell it to the uninformed.

So NO...it’s not good.....Mormonism and Christianity are not compatible.


33 posted on 10/31/2013 10:59:06 AM PDT by caww
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To: lurk
There is no compatibility between them....


34 posted on 10/31/2013 11:03:04 AM PDT by caww
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To: wmfights

<....”This is a terrible mistake, unless they are asking the mormons to convert and become Christians.”....>

Agree....and I doubt very much this is about converting Mormons to Christianity. Rather,.....just evidencing the world is being set to believe the great deception that is to come.....Mormons will believe that as will many others wearing a counterfeit cloak of Christianity.


35 posted on 10/31/2013 11:07:27 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Interesting chart ... and compiled from what the religions each claim. Of course, Christianity is based upon what JESUS claimed and reinforced with His resurrection. Mo hamhead is still dead, and Joe Smith remains in his grave ...


36 posted on 10/31/2013 11:08:35 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: svcw
Don’t read it then.

1. I'm pretty sure you don't have any say in what I read.

2. I didn't post to you.

3. If you and your crowd think you're going to save souls by cornering people on a web site and bludgeoning them with spam go right ahead. I have every right to think it clutters up Free Republic with junk no one reads and turns people off.

37 posted on 10/31/2013 11:25:24 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (Who told you that you were naked? Genesis 3:11)
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To: MHGinTN
I thought it simplified the differences......which in reality are vast when you look at them all....but this chart shows a few of the basic differences......of which shows they are incompatible with one another.

Indeed...we serve a Risen Savior...and the only one! :)


38 posted on 10/31/2013 11:29:24 AM PDT by caww
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To: Pan_Yan

I don’t care what you read.
I stated my position that there are new people all the time and the information is necessary, you are the one complaining about it.


39 posted on 10/31/2013 12:59:28 PM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains' obama's Americaas ord)
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To: Pan_Yan

As a side note people do not save souls.


40 posted on 10/31/2013 1:00:04 PM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains' obama's Americaas ord)
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To: svcw; Pan_Yan

Actually, PY, you __should__ read the posts. THat’s why they were posted.


41 posted on 10/31/2013 3:04:30 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: caww

Nice table of comparisons.

But, Jesus WILL get married in the future. He is engaged to the Bride of Christ.

Also, TCOJCOLDS has millions of gods, each ldser gets to be their own plastic dashboard deity.


42 posted on 10/31/2013 3:06:31 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Pan_Yan
but alas, I was too late.

Well then; let me balance that bad experience out for you...

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/132

43 posted on 10/31/2013 3:12:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Pan_Yan
No, but incessant spamming, no matter how well intentioned, is annoying.

GOOD!

I intend to annoy MORMONs!

Enough to get them to check out things for themselves to prove me wrong!

44 posted on 10/31/2013 3:14:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Pan_Yan
3. If you and your crowd think you're going to save souls by cornering people on a web site and bludgeoning them with spam go right ahead.

If MORMONs would get saved, then that's a GOOD thing.

If they merely get filled with doubt and then quit pushing their heresy lon other unsuspecting souls, then that is purty good, too.

If lurkers read FACTS directly from MORMON sources but are turned off by the COLOR of the text; well...

45 posted on 10/31/2013 3:18:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Pan_Yan
3. If you and your crowd think you're going to save souls by cornering people on a web site and bludgeoning them with spam go right ahead.

At LEAST we ain't pounding on folks doors with MORMON spam!!



46 posted on 10/31/2013 3:19:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fishtank
"But, Jesus WILL get married in the future."

WHAT!!??? The mormons say different...

Orson Pratt - Jesus a polygamist, God the Father had a plurality of wives. "We have also proved that both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit their wives in eternity as well as in time." The Seer, p. 172 (1853)

47 posted on 10/31/2013 3:24:56 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Ripliancum

Bashing. Only Mormons use that word anymore.

It is intended to suggest the fault of the one on the other side of the issue, no matter how kindly intended or worded.

To say that someone is bashing, even if it is factual, betrays a weakness on the part of the Mormon. Far better to look at the facts and see if your neighbor is telling the truth. There’s courage and uprightness, choosing the right if you will, to face the facts and not go into persecuted turtle mode.


48 posted on 10/31/2013 6:28:40 PM PDT by lurk
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To: lurk
To say that someone is bashing, even if it is factual, betrays a weakness on the part of the Mormon.
Far better to look at the facts and see if your neighbor is telling the truth.


Any place that a MORMON has the nerve to start spouting any of their HERESY will turn in to a BASH.

Bold
ANTIs
Spotlighting
Heresy

49 posted on 11/01/2013 4:25:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: lurk
Is BrighamYoung lying?

"For unbelievers we will quote from the Scriptures - "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God." Again - "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is of God."

 I will now give my scripture - "Whosoever confesseth that Joseph Smith was sent of God to reveal the holy Gospel to the children of men, and lay the foundation for gathering Israel, and building up the kingdom of God on the earth, that spirit is of God; and every spirit that does not confess that God has sent Joseph Smith, and revealed the everlasting Gospel to and through him, is of Antichrist.......

 - BrighamYoung

 

 

 

Here's some MORE for MORMON's...

"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned; and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given, and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

- JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

 

 

It is true that the earth was organized by three distinct characters, namely, Eloheim, Yahovah, and Michael, these three forming a quorum, as in all heavenly bodies, and in organizing element, perfectly represented in the Deity, as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Again, they will try to tell how the divinity of Jesus is joined to his humanity, and exhaust all their mental faculties, and wind up with this profound language, as describing the soul of man, "it is an immaterial substance!" What a learned idea! Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven. Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation.

I have given you a few leading items upon this subject, but a great deal more remains to be told. Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost.

- JoD 1:50-51 (April 9, 1852)

 

 

The rank, rabid abolitionists, whom I call black-hearted Republicans, have set the whole national fabric on fire. Do you know this, Democrats? They have kindled the fire that is raging now from the north to the south, and from the south to the north. I am no abolitionist, neither am I a proslavery man; I hate some of their principles and especially some of their conduct, as I do the gates of hell. The Southerners make the negroes, and the Northerners worship them; this is all the difference between slaveholders. and abolitionists. I would like the President of the United States and all the world to hear this.

Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.

- JoD: vol.10 p. 110: (March 8, 1863)

It looks like BrighamYoung was pretty good at bashings.

50 posted on 11/01/2013 4:25:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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