Skip to comments.Baptistís BYU visit marks thaw in Mormon-evangelical cold war
Posted on 10/30/2013 8:29:22 PM PDT by Ripliancum
Last month, after being sure to get his caffeine fix at Starbucks, Southern Baptist leader Richard Land went where few evangelicals had dared to go before: the Provo campus of Brigham Young University, the intellectual heart of Mormonism.
After lecturing on "family, faith, freedom and America," Land attended a BYU football game with LDS leaders and joined them to hear James Taylor sing with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. Days later, George O. Wood, the general superintendent of the Assemblies of God, also visited BYU, followed by the Rev. R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of Southern Baptists flagship seminary.
Is there a new détente perhaps more practical than theological between evangelicals and Mormons?
For more than a decade, Mormon and evangelical scholars have discussed their differences and similarities, and even written books together. But leaders of the two faiths appear to have reached a new juncture, with some on both sides seeing benefits in more public engagement.
"At the very least, the two communities, evangelicals and Mormons, have been
each others worst enemies," said Richard Mouw, the former president of Fuller Theological Seminary and a longtime proponent of evangelical-Mormon dialogue. "Theres a significant part of the evangelical movement that is now having healthy and friendly conversations, and its gone from a group of two dozen scholars talking to each other to church leaders meeting each other, going to see each other."
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Exposure is not bashing.
mormonism is not Christianity, regardless what some guy says.
And the interesting this is that NO mainstream Christian denomination sees Mormonism as Christianity. Yet according to the mainstream media, only "evangelicals" hold that view. Since when did Catholics, Orthodox, and mainline protestants ever claim Mormons are Christians?
And the interesting thing is that NO mainstream Christian denomination sees Mormonism as Christianity. Yet according to the mainstream media, ONLY "evangelicals" hold that view. Since when did Catholics, Orthodox, and mainline protestants ever claim Mormons are Christians?
This reminds me of a quote that a Catholic offered from Luther on another thread, as an insult against him, which actually I quite enjoyed:
Those pious souls who do good to gain the Kingdom of Heaven not only will never succeed, but they must even be reckoned among the impious; and it is more important to guard them against good works than against sin. (Wittenberg, VI, 160, quoted by OHare, in The Facts About Luther, TAN Books, 1987, p. 122.)
What better proof against the cult of good works than in these “Christians” legitimizing a religious cult upon the basis of their “shared values”, IOW, alleged love of good works? (This is a religion, by the way, which routinely pressures families to separate from those who leave their religion! And we are talking about ‘shared values’?) No matter what their sentiments are, or what their alleged goodness is, each and every one of them is a soul on its way to hell, unless they come out of the snares of this wretched religion which seeks to subvert the body of Christ!
As for these “Christians”:
“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
2Co_6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
A pity these “Christians” decided to sell out, instead of doing the only thing a Christian can do amongst such a group: Call for their repentance, and declare a war against the false teachings of Joseph Smith.
This is a terrible mistake, unless they are asking the mormons to convert and become Christians.
I can not name a single Christian group as you mentioned that says mormonism is Christianity, and why would they, it’s not.
“The recent Utah meetings, which came at the invitation of LDS leaders, have centered on faith, family and religious freedom. Mohler who was careful not to paper over doctrinal distinctions in his BYU speech addressed joint concerns about the intersection of those issues.”
A link that works:
A common belief in the traditional family - albeit with ONE wife - does not mean Baptists believe Mormons are Christians. They are not. Heck, I agree with Putin’s views on homosexuality, but that doesn’t make me a Commie Pinko...
You can’t contain yourself, can you?
If there was any question we’re in a Laodicean age, that question is answered.
“The outreach has gone both ways. In September, Taylor joined two members of the LDS Quorum of the Twelve Apostles at the Washington installation of Russell Moore, who succeeded Land as head of the Southern Baptist Conventions Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission.
“Its clear where we disagree, but were standing together in the public square for religious liberty,” said Moore, who has recently spoken with Mormon officials about military chaplains religious rights.”
That part is fine. The problem with going to BYU is this:
“...Stephen Webb, author of the new book “Mormon Christianity: What Other Christians Can Learn from the Latter-day Saints.”
“Its not just the fact that evangelicals are being more curious about Mormons and being more willing to listen to them and learn from them....”
The Father of Lies won’t bother to be scrupulous with the truth!
“You cant contain yourself, can you?”
I’m like a can of soda. But the good kind, like from Mexico, the apple-sodas. And when you shake me with your heresy, I explode in tasty scripture.
Bad move on the part of the SBC. They would do both their people and the LDS people more good by drawing the lines of distinction very clearly.
True Christianity preaches the cross of Christ.
The lds-org denies that Jesus is the Creator, that everything was created THROUGH Him, BY Him and FOR Him.
They deny that Jesus created even the angels out of nothing.
They do NOT teach the truth about Jesus.
Is Romney going to run again?
2 Timothy (NKJV) Chapter 4 ( Geneva )
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
( 2 Timothy 4:3 Faithful Pastors in times past took all occasions they could, because men were very prompt and ready to return to their fables.)
From which side?
Tell me R; do you agree with the statements made here by your chosen religions leaders about TRADITIONAL Christians???
Good question; but the WRONG one:
Since when did TCOJCOLDS ever decide to claim Mormons are Christians?
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;
and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,
and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
I daresay the MORMONs on FR learn MORE about their chosen religion here than they do in their 'churches'!
Has he got money left?
What does “TCOJCOLDS” stand for?
I was going to post
“In before the multi color, multi font, heavily bolded, heavily linked massive copy and paste posts”
but alas, I was too late.
So posting mormonism’s word is offensive?
No, but incessant spamming, no matter how well intentioned, is annoying.
Don’t read it then.
There are new people on these threads all the time, so the info needs to be repeated. It’s that simple
The Rinos will come up with that.
I disagree...Mormonism is a cult wrapped in lies and misleads many into it’s stronghold of which it’s tenticles drive deep into the soul of person and does not let go easily.
The world is gearing up for the “great deception” God has promised......cozying up with ‘counterfeit’ cults and religions only “rots the apple barrel”.
God designed distinctions for a reason. Christianity is distinct from all others and is centered on the man Jesus Christ......Mormonism centers on works and attaches Christian lingo to their false creeds and beliefs to sell it to the uninformed.
So NO...it’s not good.....Mormonism and Christianity are not compatible.
<....”This is a terrible mistake, unless they are asking the mormons to convert and become Christians.”....>
Agree....and I doubt very much this is about converting Mormons to Christianity. Rather,.....just evidencing the world is being set to believe the great deception that is to come.....Mormons will believe that as will many others wearing a counterfeit cloak of Christianity.
Interesting chart ... and compiled from what the religions each claim. Of course, Christianity is based upon what JESUS claimed and reinforced with His resurrection. Mo hamhead is still dead, and Joe Smith remains in his grave ...
1. I'm pretty sure you don't have any say in what I read.
2. I didn't post to you.
3. If you and your crowd think you're going to save souls by cornering people on a web site and bludgeoning them with spam go right ahead. I have every right to think it clutters up Free Republic with junk no one reads and turns people off.
Indeed...we serve a Risen Savior...and the only one! :)
I don’t care what you read.
I stated my position that there are new people all the time and the information is necessary, you are the one complaining about it.
As a side note people do not save souls.
Actually, PY, you __should__ read the posts. THat’s why they were posted.
Nice table of comparisons.
But, Jesus WILL get married in the future. He is engaged to the Bride of Christ.
Also, TCOJCOLDS has millions of gods, each ldser gets to be their own plastic dashboard deity.
Well then; let me balance that bad experience out for you...
I intend to annoy MORMONs!
Enough to get them to check out things for themselves to prove me wrong!
If MORMONs would get saved, then that's a GOOD thing.
If they merely get filled with doubt and then quit pushing their heresy lon other unsuspecting souls, then that is purty good, too.
If lurkers read FACTS directly from MORMON sources but are turned off by the COLOR of the text; well...
At LEAST we ain't pounding on folks doors with MORMON spam!!
WHAT!!??? The mormons say different...
Orson Pratt - Jesus a polygamist, God the Father had a plurality of wives. "We have also proved that both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit their wives in eternity as well as in time." The Seer, p. 172 (1853)
Bashing. Only Mormons use that word anymore.
It is intended to suggest the fault of the one on the other side of the issue, no matter how kindly intended or worded.
To say that someone is bashing, even if it is factual, betrays a weakness on the part of the Mormon. Far better to look at the facts and see if your neighbor is telling the truth. There’s courage and uprightness, choosing the right if you will, to face the facts and not go into persecuted turtle mode.
Any place that a MORMON has the nerve to start spouting any of their HERESY will turn in to a BASH.
"For unbelievers we will quote from the Scriptures - "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God." Again - "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is of God."
I will now give my scripture - "Whosoever confesseth that Joseph Smith was sent of God to reveal the holy Gospel to the children of men, and lay the foundation for gathering Israel, and building up the kingdom of God on the earth, that spirit is of God; and every spirit that does not confess that God has sent Joseph Smith, and revealed the everlasting Gospel to and through him, is of Antichrist.......
Here's some MORE for MORMON's...
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned; and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given, and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
- JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
It is true that the earth was organized by three distinct characters, namely, Eloheim, Yahovah, and Michael, these three forming a quorum, as in all heavenly bodies, and in organizing element, perfectly represented in the Deity, as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
Again, they will try to tell how the divinity of Jesus is joined to his humanity, and exhaust all their mental faculties, and wind up with this profound language, as describing the soul of man, "it is an immaterial substance!" What a learned idea! Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven. Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation.
I have given you a few leading items upon this subject, but a great deal more remains to be told. Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost.
- JoD 1:50-51 (April 9, 1852)
The rank, rabid abolitionists, whom I call black-hearted Republicans, have set the whole national fabric on fire. Do you know this, Democrats? They have kindled the fire that is raging now from the north to the south, and from the south to the north. I am no abolitionist, neither am I a proslavery man; I hate some of their principles and especially some of their conduct, as I do the gates of hell. The Southerners make the negroes, and the Northerners worship them; this is all the difference between slaveholders. and abolitionists. I would like the President of the United States and all the world to hear this.
Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.
- JoD: vol.10 p. 110: (March 8, 1863)
It looks like BrighamYoung was pretty good at bashings.