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To: cothrige; faithhopecharity; ebb tide
strange approach

When a pagan dances around a stick he worships the same God too, for there is no other God. The fact of the Gospel is that Catholic Christianity that Jesus taught is true worship, and should have been the path for Judaism. This did not happen for the great many of the Jewish people, who instead denied Christ and were left with rabbinical Judaism. That is the real difference between the two religions. It is silly to pretend there is some harmony between the two: if I pray in the synagogue that would be because I deny Christ and if a Jew prays to the crucifix then that would be because he is converted to Christ. It doesn't mean we cannot live together peacefully or congregate in order to promote peace between men, but please let us do it in a secular setting. Or else we can have a Mass said for the intention of remembering and mourning the Jews that perished, but then do not invite the rabbis unless they are willing to consider converting.

51 posted on 11/14/2013 5:29:25 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex; cothrige; faithhopecharity; ebb tide; piusv; Mrs. Don-o; iowamark
This did not happen for the great many of the Jewish people, who instead denied Christ and were left with rabbinical Judaism.

You have all overlooked an important Scripture.

Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to undrstand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles come in.
Rom 11:25

Paul warns the Gentiles not to see their faith as superiority over the Jews.

and so all Israel will be saved, as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob. And this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.
Rom 11:26-27

Again, the statement that the unbelief of the Jews was an integral part of God's plan to enable the Gentiles to be saved but that when the "full number" of the Gentiles has come in, the "hardening" resulting in the Jews' unbelief, will be removed and "all Israel will be saved".

In respect to the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but in respect to election, they are beloved because of the patriarchs. For the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable.
Rom 11:28-29

Paul repeats that the Jews' rejection of the Gospel - their refusal to believe in Christ - was for the sake of the Gentiles. Their election, the special love that God has for them, and their special gifts remain.

Just as you once disobeyed God but have now received mercy because of their disobedience, so they have now disobeyed in order that, by virtue of the mercy shown to you, they too may (now) receive mercy. For God delivered all to disobedience, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom 11:30-32

Once again, St. Paul repeats the assertion that the Jews' disobedience - rejection of the Gospel - was somehow, mysteriously, part of God's plan so that the Gentiles might be saved. He concludes by showing the unfathomable depth, mystery and mercy revealed in God's plan of salvation.

Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How inscrutable are his judgments and how unsearchable his ways! "For who has known the mind of the Lord or who has been his counselor?" "Or who has given him anything that he may be repaid?" For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.
Rom 11:33-36

As Rosalind Moss, a well known Jewish convert put it: "becoming Catholic is the most Jewish thing a person can do".

56 posted on 11/14/2013 6:36:10 AM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: annalex
If a Jew prays to a crucifix...??? You GOTTA BE KIDDING.

Praying to crucifixes does not make one a Christian. Praying to God the Father in Jesus's name however, could be a sign.

But praying to crucifixes...that's skipping a step, isn't it(?) since according to you;

which seemingly, according to you, is part of that (gag) Catholic Christianity that Jesus taught is true worship...

The mask slips, the confusion of face peaks out. There are large swaths of {Roman] Catholicism which Christ absolutely did not teach.

Mary, His own earthly mother...everyone else's mother too?

justified every 'ol which-a-way leading to, look -- here is your mother Our Lady of the Conquest by which we will subjugate you. Mom loves us best, dontcha' know...

No, that and much more of Roman Catholicism came from the darkened and fearful minds of men, not lead of the Holy Ghost, but of their fleshly imaginations and fears applied to what Gospel had been handed to them.

Trying to make it better, they added that which did not belong, and distanced by qualification and extra "rules" that which did belong, to the Gospel.

61 posted on 11/14/2013 7:43:02 AM PST by BlueDragon (...one of these days Alice, to the MOON!)
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