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Again HUGE news: Pope Francis explicitly endorses Benedict XVI’s “hermeneutic of continuity”
WDTPRS ^ | 11/23/2013 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 11/23/2013 11:39:06 AM PST by markomalley

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To: mountainlion

I am glad you have an interest in becoming a Catholic but this particular thread wasn’t posted as with the object of conversion.


21 posted on 11/23/2013 1:22:17 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (What we said when we said what we said was. Period. End of story.)
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To: mountainlion

continuity is easy — continuing line of thought, so to speak


22 posted on 11/23/2013 1:33:24 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: mountainlion

I am sorry for some of the responses you got. I think it’s a valid request/concern. Let’s remember that many of the saints were not learned folks, but simple folk. Then again, I’m Catholic and I find this particular phrase troublesome, so maybe that’s why I understand you.


23 posted on 11/23/2013 1:33:45 PM PST by piusv
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To: mountainlion

hermeneutic — explaining Scripture, interpreting Sacred Scriptures and inquiring into their true meaning

These are both common English words...look what you learned today. Good luck with your next SCRABBLE game.


24 posted on 11/23/2013 1:37:40 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: piusv; mountainlion

Now that we know what you don’t like about the Catholic Church - what is it that you do like that brought your interest to this thread?


25 posted on 11/23/2013 1:51:14 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (What we said when we said what we said was. Period. End of story.)
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To: Salvation

And this is from a Catholic dictionary on line.

Don’t know how else one would put it into one word.

I am an English teacher and I had to look it up . Don’t know when I’ll expect to not ever have to look up a word, but...

It’s the Catholic rules and regs of interpreting the Bible.

Maybe it gets people perplexed whose outlook includes both being able to interpret the Bible at will, or who believe, and need to believe, that the Catholic Church does not consult the Bible.

But there it is.

“Derived from a Greek word connected with the name of the god Hermes, the reputed messenger and interpreter of the gods. It would be wrong to infer from this that the word denotes the interpretation or exegesis of Sacred Scripture. Usage has restricted the meaning of hermeneutics to the science of Biblical exegesis, that is, to the collection of rules which govern the right interpretation of Sacred Scripture. Exegesis is therefore related to hermeneutics, as language is to grammar, or as reasoning is to logic. Men spoke and reasoned before there was any grammar or logic; but it is very difficult to speak correctly and reason rightly at all times and under any circumstances without a knowledge of grammar and logic. In the same way our early Christian writers explained Sacred Scripture—as it is interpreted in particular cases even in out days by students of extraordinary talent—without relying on any formal principles of hermeneutics, but such explanations, if correct, will always be in accordance with the canons of our present-day science of exegesis.

Necessity of hermeneutics

The reader must not infer from what has been said that hermeneutics is a mere accomplishment in the Biblical exegete, that its knowledge is not necessary for the Bible student. It is true that in the early Church the science of exegesis was not developed; but it must be remembered that the so-called sacred languages were the vernacular tongues of the Syrian and Greek writers, who were familiar with what are to us Biblical antiquities, and who were also imbued with the early oral traditions containing the true explanation of the many difficult passages of Sacred Scripture. As soon as these natural aids of the Christian interpreter began to wane, the principles of hermeneutics began to develop. Even at the time of St. Augustine they were collected into a single book, so that they could be made known and put into practice without much difficulty. Anyone acquainted with the variety of opinion concerning the meaning of some of the most important passages of the Bible will wonder rather at the suggestion of explaining Scripture without the aid of hermeneutics, than at the claim for its urgent necessity.”

New Advent Catholic Dictionary


26 posted on 11/23/2013 1:57:07 PM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

Thanks for all that information including the etymology.


27 posted on 11/23/2013 1:59:33 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Oh please. You’re taking mountainlion’s comment way too personally.


28 posted on 11/23/2013 2:01:56 PM PST by piusv
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To: stanne

Wow, and you’re EDUCATED!


29 posted on 11/23/2013 2:02:36 PM PST by piusv
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To: stanne
exegesis
30 posted on 11/23/2013 2:03:27 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (What we said when we said what we said was. Period. End of story.)
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To: piusv

I asked a simple question out of curiosity that a person interested in becoming a Catholic should be happy to answer.

You made it personal by pompously apologizing for others.


31 posted on 11/23/2013 2:10:10 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (What we said when we said what we said was. Period. End of story.)
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To: Salvation

I like the etymology, it usually provides a good reference for imagery, plus an easy way for me to recall meaning.

With church documents, I am often going to the dictionary, and I always want to know the Latin root, for the purpose of understanding.

People forget that the language of the Church is and understanding its theology and philosophy can take a little work.


32 posted on 11/23/2013 2:10:24 PM PST by stanne
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To: Berlin_Freeper

From the New Advent def. I posted:

“Exegesis is therefore related to hermeneutics, as language is to grammar, or as reasoning is to logic”

I’d have had to look up exegesis, anyway.


33 posted on 11/23/2013 2:13:23 PM PST by stanne
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To: Berlin_Freeper

You mean like how you arrogantly told ML that the thread wasn’t posted for conversion purposes? LOL Pot meet kettle.

But you’re right, I shouldn’t apologize for others’ poor behavior. They should. Let’s see if they do.


34 posted on 11/23/2013 2:14:10 PM PST by piusv
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To: markomalley

Way to communicate with the masses.

What the heck is a “hermeneutic”?


35 posted on 11/23/2013 2:16:24 PM PST by miserare (Sebelius is Obama's Mengele.)
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To: stanne
compared to:
critical explanation or interpretation of a text or portion of a text, especially of the Bible.
Which is probably more easily understood.
36 posted on 11/23/2013 2:18:42 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (What we said when we said what we said was. Period. End of story.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
interpretation
37 posted on 11/23/2013 2:19:29 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (What we said when we said what we said was. Period. End of story.)
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To: piusv

Some say “ejumucated, but...

I know. My tenth graders consider it a they singular torture that they pretend they’ll never have to perform again, once they leave High School, indeed, my class, looking things up in a dictionary.

I know people who don’t own a dictionary - wow.

But, there you have it.

And the Catholic Church has, as its official language, Latin. It’s a universal language, unused in speaking, so, interpreted in the same way throughout the world And unchangeable, so, propaganda proof. the enemy Hates it, I am told, which, if true, is very nice.

I does take a little effort for the curious.


38 posted on 11/23/2013 2:21:04 PM PST by stanne
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To: Berlin_Freeper

This country needs revival and we need people coming to God.


39 posted on 11/23/2013 2:22:13 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Again HUGE news: Pope Francis explicitly endorses Benedict XVI’s “critical explanation or interpretation of a text or portion of a text, especially of the Bible, of continuity”

Like this?

To appease the dictionary repellant?

Isn’t, ‘the dumbing down’ of America something considered not good?


40 posted on 11/23/2013 2:23:55 PM PST by stanne
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