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To: imardmd1

I will hopefully address your post more fully some other time but I want to say how odd and disturbing it is that you continue to show a bunch of Greek words with fancy fonts and other nonsense to convey what you think an Aramaic word means. There is no need for Greek when these words are Aramaic. Your use of Greek does not impress me and it should not impress anyone else.


15 posted on 12/10/2013 6:52:31 PM PST by impimp
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To: impimp
Your use of Greek does not impress me and it should not impress anyone else.

I certainly am not using the Received Text to impress anybody. The Greek was being used to demonstrate, inasmuch as it is inspired (and the KHV, DRB, and Vulgate are not), God-breathed, and inscripturated in the Greek by the Holy Spirit, that in the case you are speaking of, the Greek is an exact rendering such that for this word the first-century Greek-speaker knows exactly in his mind what is in the Aramaic/Syriac/Chaldean had in his mind in the context.

Please take note that John was undoubtedly adept at both, and needed no translation in either, and therefore was the totally premiere interpreter of both, particularly since he was guided by the Holy Ghost in writing this verse. Apparently the Holy Ghost was impressed that you and I would need this knowledge to correctly understand what Simon's nickname, bestowed by Jesus, really meant.

Beyond the shadow of a doubt, by foreknowledge Jesus knew that Simon, a (not 'the') Stone was going to be a pillar of the Jerusalem church, together with James and John, the Sons of Thunder (Gal. 2:9), but he and they were not the only stones of which the Church of Jesus Christ was to be built. Paul, addressing the church of mostly Gentiles at Ephesus, exhorted them:

"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit" (Eph 2:19-22 KJV).

They are all to be stones in the building, together with the apostles, prophets, and Jesus.

So Peter became one of the "stones" of the foundation of the Holy Spiritual Temple, figuratively speaking; but most certainly not the only one, and surely not more important than The King of the Jews, Jesus Christ. Again, the whole expanse of the foundation reposes safely on the underlying rock-solid truth that Jesus is The Christ, the Begotten Son of The Living God.

And yet again, after Simon had finally come to spiritual maturity wrote:

"To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded" (1Pe 2:4-6 KJV)

Now we see that Peter himself did not figure that he was the only stone used in building the spiritual (not temporal) Church written in Heaven (Heb. 12:22-23).

Now, for your information, Much of the book of Daniel is written in Aramaic, and it is easy to gather from Gesenius' "Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament Scriptures," or from Brown, Driver, and Briggs' "Hebrew and English Lexicon of The Old Testament" where the Aramaic nouns, adjectives, adverbs, pronouns, and such are structured and are declined in their own fashion. Here is an example of the Aramaic word "stone" from Dan. 2:34,35,45;5:4,23;6:17 (couldn't find "kefas" in the OT) :

H69

אבן (Aramaic)

'eben

BDB Definition:
1) stone
1a) a (the) stone
1b) stone, material of idols and buildings

Part of Speech: noun feminine

A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: corresponding to H68

One of the bits of information you ought to take into account is that, counting from Christ's baptism, one of John Baptist's disciples, Andrew, moved over to follow Jesus, and brought his brother Simon along with him. On the first meeting, Jesus gave Simon the title "Kephas" as recorded by John the Beloved, which by interpretation means "A stone" (Jn. 1:42 KJV), or "A piece of rock" (same verse, A Precise Translation, Happy Heralds, Inc.). That event took place in Kislev (early December) of 29 AD. However, the instance recorded by Matthew 16:18 tells that in Sivan (June) of 32 AD was when Jesus once more used that already well-known nick-name "Petros." The timing is confirmed by Luke, the precise historian of consecutive happenings, in Luke 9:20.

Here, there can be no doubt that about 16 times before the Sivan declaration, Simon was called "Petros," but only once "Kefas," and that by Jesus, apparently bot by his pals. But on the event recorded in the synoptic gospels, Jesus referred to him as "Petros" as does the Holy Ghost, for all time, and both the name and the meaning stick. That word in the Koine is well-defined, as I understand it. Simon was also said to have been titled "Petros" by Jesus at the time Tammuz (July) of 31 AD, when Jesus called The Twelve to go out as forerunners for His peripatetic ministry. References to this event are Mt. 19:2, Mk. 3:16, and Lk.6:14.

There's lots more, but as a fact, Jesus didn't just pop out with a new name for Peter at the meeting of Mt 16:18, nor did he mention any church as connected with Simon in any other documentation of that moment. BTW, Peter had already made that statement, "Thou art The Christ, The Son of The Living God," already a couple of months before, on 3 Nisan (March 30) of 32 AD (see Jn. 6:68 and context). Jesus made no special connection or Peter then, but he did for Judas Iscariot, eh?

So much for now.

16 posted on 12/11/2013 1:46:27 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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