Posted on 12/12/2013 7:50:01 AM PST by GonzoII
Christ was fully human, yes, but also fully God. Sorry that you might not believe this.
"Christ" is Not Yah'shua's Last NAME. "Christ" is a JOB DESCRIPTION: Messiah or Mashiach Eucharist :"Christ" is not someone's NAME
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
The hubris to think that a created human by magic can
turn a Pesach Matzoh into the Creator of the universe.
The text in Matt 27 does not say they appeared only to believers. It says they went into Jerusalem and appeared to many.
Given the makeup of Jerusalem the day of His resurrection ... I would say the appearance was probably to unbelievers mostly.
Many could also mean the many believers.
The Jews did not see these figures. Do you have proof that the Pharisees or Sadducees saw the risen from their graves. I will wage that your answer is “No.”
* [27:51–53] Veil of the sanctuary…bottom: cf. Mk 15:38; Lk 23:45. Luke puts this event immediately before the death of Jesus. There were two veils in the Mosaic tabernacle on the model of which the temple was constructed, the outer one before the entrance of the Holy Place and the inner one before the Holy of Holies (see Ex 26:31–36). Only the high priest could pass through the latter and that only on the Day of Atonement (see Lv 16:1–18). Probably the torn veil of the gospels is the inner one. The meaning of the scene may be that now, because of Jesus’ death, all people have access to the presence of God, or that the temple, its holiest part standing exposed, is now profaned and will soon be destroyed. The earth quaked…appeared to many: peculiar to Matthew. The earthquake, the splitting of the rocks, and especially the resurrection of the dead saints indicate the coming of the final age. In the Old Testament the coming of God is frequently portrayed with the imagery of an earthquake (see Ps 68:9; 77:19), and Jesus speaks of the earthquakes that will accompany the “labor pains” that signify the beginning of the dissolution of the old world (Mt 24:7–8). For the expectation of the resurrection of the dead at the coming of the new and final age, see Dn 12:1–3. Matthew knows that the end of the old age has not yet come (Mt 28:20), but the new age has broken in with the death (and resurrection; cf. the earthquake in Mt 28:2) of Jesus; see note on Mt 16:28. After his resurrection: this qualification seems to be due to Matthew’s wish to assert the primacy of Jesus’ resurrection even though he has placed the resurrection of the dead saints immediately after Jesus’ death.
You're making this up as you go.
The Jews did not see these figures.
That's not in the text ... that is your interpolation of the text.
Do you have proof that the Pharisees or Sadducees saw the risen from their graves.
The text says MANY ... it doesn't seperate out believers and non-believers ...
The flesh of Christ is of no profit??
Mt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
2. Jesus did not say, “My flesh is of no avail.” He said, “The flesh is of no avail.” There is a big difference! He obviously would not have said my flesh avails nothing because he just spent a good portion of this same discourse telling us that his flesh would be “given for the life of the world” (John 6:51, cf. 50-58).
Your little addition there is not at all biblical...That's the mark of Catholics...Always adding to scripture or taking away from it...
Most Catholics 'admittedly' don't believe in the real presence...Ya gotta wonder how many 'don't admit' they don't believe in the real presence in the wafer...Perhaps your priest doesn't even believe it...Guarantee he won't tell you if he doesn't...
Jesus Christ is a mere created man and a magician?
Amen. Then we should hold His teachings:
"For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink."
The Jews did not see these figures. Do you have proof that the Pharisees or Sadducees saw the risen from their graves. I will wage that your answer is “No.”
So you make something up and we're required to prove it's not true???
I could say they rode thru town on large blu-jays...Don't beleive it??? Prove it with scripture...
Obviously not the 'fleshy' life...Jesus' flesh didn't profit when they beat it up and killed it...Our fleshy life did not profit when Jesus was Crucified...It is all 100% spiritual life, not fleshy life...
Jesus Christ is a mere created man and a magician?
The human magician is the Roman "priest" who Yah'shua HaMashiach is the Shechinah Glory of YHvH
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
turns a Pesach Matzoh into the Creator of the universe.
well said Gonzo - puts a floodlight on some non-Scriptural nonsense.
Augustine’s reading of John 6. “Why ready thou teeth and stomach? Believe, and you have eaten already.”
The body and blood of Christ consumed through faith without eating or drinking. Believe, saith Augustine, and thou hast eaten already.
Based on his reading of:
Joh 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
Joh 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
“They said therefore unto Him, What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” For He had said to them, “Labor not for the meat which perisheth, but for that which endureth unto eternal life.” “What shall we do?” they ask; by observing what, shall we be able to fulfill this precept? “Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He has sent.” This is then to eat the meat, not that which perisheth, but that which endureth unto eternal life. To what purpose dost thou make ready teeth and stomach? Believe, and thou hast eaten already. (Augustine, Tractate 25)
This is the most natural reading of the text, unless the Papists are going to offer us the sacrament of water that gives eternal life, as Christ commanded must be drank in John 4:
Joh 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
Joh 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
Joh 4:15 The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.
The human magician is the Roman "priest" who CLAIMS TO
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
turns a Pesach Matzoh into the Creator of the universe.
I didn’t say that Jesus said *MY* flesh is of no avail. I said that He said THE flesh is of no avail.
His BLOOD was shed for the remission of our sins, not His flesh. Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin.
Eating blood is strictly forbidden by the Law. The blood was NEVER for consumption, it was for atonement. Jesus could not break the Law and still be the perfect, sinless sacrifice for our sins.
One of the only commands reiterated in the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15 was the prohibition against eating blood.
Salvation is by faith. Not by eating Jesus.
So the Catholic church takes it literally when it suits them and figuratively when it suits them.
Very poor exegesis.
I agree 100% and you called it correct.
Funny how they demand PHYSICAL eating but insist on it giving SPIRITUAL life. There’s no consistency at all in their position.
Where in Scripture does it say that the dead appeared only to believers? And it did not happen AT the crucifixion, but after His death.
Reading into a passage is not good interpretation. Or is this another myth tradition the Catholic church teaches has been handed down for millennia?
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