Posted on 12/13/2013 11:31:40 AM PST by Gamecock
With your logic, that's like saying the Bible mentions money more than any other subject, so that means the Bible is only about money.
David’s name is mentioned more than any mortal, he must have been the first pope. Logical, right?
John 21 15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest (the word here is ἀγαπᾷς or agapas) thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love (the word here is φιλῶ or philō) thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs. 16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest (again ἀγαπᾷς or agapas) thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love (again φιλῶ or philō) thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep. 17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest(This word is φιλῶ or philō) thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest (φιλῶ or philō) thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
Agapas means full of love, benevolence, well being. Some call it Gods love.
Philō means brother love or simply affection.
Twice, Jesus uses Agapas and Peter responds with philō. The third time Jesus uses philō and Peter responds with philō.
This is important because this is Jesus' response to Peter's denial. Peter, brashly, which was typical Peter, states in John 13:37 that he would lay down his life for Jesus, at which time Jesus told him that Peter would deny him three times.
Three times Jesus asks Peter if he loves him, the first two, using agapas, the type of love one would have to lay down their life for someone. Which Peter responded that he has affection for Jesus. Gone is the brash "I WOULD LAY DOWN MY LIFE FOR YOU". Lastly, Jesus asks Peter, "do you philō me" do you have affection for me, which Peter responded in kind.
Jesus then goes on to tell Peter that Peter will actually lay down his life for Christ, restoring Peter's hope.
The story isn't simply to mention Peter again. It's to show a change in Peter. Peter WAS brash, but he mellowed. Christ restored him and Peter DID go on to do great things for Christ and DID give his life for Christ.
We ALL are also BRASH like Peter, in one way or another. Christ meets us where we are at such as philō, and restores us and uses us if we so let him.
I agree with the first sentence. You do realize that the task has been passed onto humans. Clowns, malcontents, and spherical b****oles are not a pathway.
I am aware of the different meanings of love in that section. Our English language is so limited.
IF Peter is so important and the head of the Apostles, what does this mean.
John 13:21 When Jesus had said this, He became troubled in spirit, and testified and said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, that one of you will betray Me.” 22 The disciples began looking at one another, at a loss to know of which one He was speaking. 23 There was reclining on Jesus’ bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved.(ἠγάπα or ēgapa)
24 So Simon Peter gestured to him, and said to him, “Tell us who it is of whom He is speaking.” 25 He, leaning back thus on Jesus’ bosom, said to Him, “Lord, who is it?”
ēgapa is another form of agapas.
Nowhere else is this said about any other Apostle. If Peter is the leader or will be leader, shouldn't HE be the one lying next to Jesus? Shouldn't he be the one described as the one whom Jesus loved?
You make a big deal of how many times Peter is mentioned, but NOWHERE is he described as the one Jesus loved.
Not logical. Since when did you start believing that David was one of the apostles? LOL!
Not logical — money, rather the love of money, is the root of all evil.
You'll only find a few verses about the love of money being the root of evil.
Proverbs is chock full of verses about the proper acquisition and the material blessings of God.
Malachi 3:10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty,"
and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.
Luke 6:3838 Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure—pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return.”
This isn't talking about the love of money. This is talking about having a proper attitude towards money. And what does it say? When we give generously, God will give us more, "a good measure—pressed down, shaken together, and running over."
As logical as your post.
**Also while Saul or Paul was.....Phillip was preaching to and converting the Gentiles in Samaria. Acts 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John.**
The Samaritans believed Philip’s message and were baptized. 8:12. Even Simon the sorcerer believed and was baptized. 8:13
BUT, they were not converted until Peter showed up. He was given the command to open the door (the keys) to the Jews, the Samaritans, and the Gentiles. The Samaritans received the Spirit in vs 17.
**He also preached to the Ethiopian who had been converted to the mosaic law, but he was not a Jew.**
That may be the case, but there were Jews scattered all over in the previous 700 years, following the downfall of the Israel, and the later downfall of Judah. The Ethiopian could have been of Jewish heritage, maybe mixed, like the Samaritans.
The first Gentiles converted (filled with the Holy Ghost, and baptised) were those of Cornelius household, IN the presence of Peter.
**Many gentiles were preached to before Paul became a Christian.**
No argument there. I just don’t place Peter in Rome to help build a dogma.
Well you got me there...Peter is after all the apostle sent to the Gentiles...Paul then must have been sent to the Klingons...
———————————————————————————— Paul preached to the Jews and Gentiles but it don,t look like he was the first.
I believe the beheading i was referring to has to do with the mark of the beast. No, it isn’t in Rev. 17.
Yes, we may all have some part of that role. (For instance I am a shepherd -- shepherdess? --- to my children.) But he has it as an explicit charge.
I want to let you know I appreciate your post. I am going through it, comparing Scripture with Scripture. And will post you when it comes together for me. :) I didn’t want you to think I was ignoring what you said, thank you again!
Regards,
smvoice
A church ("called out ones") of all Israelites and proselytes to Judaism, indicating its nature as the people offered the kingdom of Heaven upon repentance (Acts 3:19-26)
" . . . and they were ALL scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, EXCEPT THE APOSTLES."
And those who were scattered went preaching the Kingdom message to NONE but to Jews only. Still a Jewish evengelization with a Jewish message.
The Twelve Apostles of the Lamb had a close connection with Daniel's City, which the Apostle Paul did not have.
Again "Church" must be defined by its local context. It certainly is not anything defined in either Rome or Geneva.
Absolutely. And they were still awaiting the return of Christ. Waiting for Israel as a Nation, to repent and accept Christ as her Messiah. We can look BACK on these events and SEE now what they could not at that time. All they knew was Christ would return, they were offered the Kingdom at Pentecost, all the signs were there, Joel 2:38 was being fulfilled, and they were waiting for God’s wrath to fall. THAT was next on His prophecy timeline. What they were concerned with was Israel. NOT Gentiles. The Gentiles would come later, just as soon as Israel became of nation of priests and a blessing to all nations. Imagine their confusion when Christ did NOT return immediately and set up His Kingdom. What was He waiting for? they must have asked themselves. They had no knowledge of what God was about to do with the Gentiles, not through the RISE of Israel, but through the FALL of Israel.
Where do you find this explicit charge you speak of?
John 21:15-17
Also, see: Luke 22:32
“I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren.” Luke 22:32.
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