Posted on 12/23/2013 2:25:55 AM PST by markomalley
OMG! The Holy Father has now truly jumped the proverbial shark. This is the end.
When I already had to truncate the title...not much choice in the matter.
I actually did read the headline and assumed it was satire, but thanks for insulting my intelligence.
Agreed. I think oftentimes there is some element of truth in all satire. Satire just takes it to the extreme.
It was pretty obviously satire.
But what I don’t get is — this is in the Religion forum.
How do we discuss satire in the religion forum under the religion forum rules?
I mean, the article misstates religious positions — obviously — because it is satire. But we can’t misstate positions.
And we can’t make fun of people, which is another aspect of satire.
And so far as I can tell, nobody is even trying to have a religious discussion of the ideas put forth in the satire, I presume because it would seem odd to actually DISCUSS a satire piece as if it had meaning.
What exactly can we do with a religious discussion of a satirical piece like this?
I’m waiting for people to come along and explain what the satirist really meant.
Sometimes it’s hard to tell the satire from the media’s deliberate misquotes.
What a tedious and unnecessary task that does nothing to build confidence in those we're supposed to trust.
We had our Christmas cantata last night (He Gave Everything), and the fellowship following was one of the most enjoyable human events of my life in a year.
60 or 70 people, gathered around more sugar than is healthy, (Baptists, of course), hot cxoffee and chocolate, all in the same book, on the same page, for the same reason ...
The conversation gushing and diverse from mingle to mingle ...
delicious.
Mike's writing was immediately entertained as a story or proverb (though now I know the wortd, "satire" .. didn't then) and there was never a question that Slats was a figure invented to tell a story or make a point.
I just always knew it.
I don't know those things today.
...there was never a question that Slats was a figure invented to tell a story or make a point...I just always knew it...I don't know those things today.Yes, yes, exactly! I agree completely. His writings were treasures. My husband would go to sports first, then Mike, but I'd go straight to Royko...
Along the lines of the “seminews/semisatire columns. A commentary dancing with truths and filling in wild assumptions where any doubts may reside.
I may be credulous, but frankly I prefer satire to be clearly labeled as such in the title. It's a form of humor which can be very un-funny.
And no, I'm not Catholic. I DO respect Catholics and their beliefs.
Heh...
That part isn't satire.
Satire may make fun of people, but if you think about it, so does all forms of humor. Every joke you have ever heard involves laughing with someone at someone or something else. So to say we can't make fun of people is essentially to outlaw all humor forever.
I think the distinction should be what is the target of your humor, and I find the old Christian saw of "love the sinner but hate the sin" is particularly aposite here. If all humor involves laughing at something, then lets laugh at sin, at negativity, at falsehood. IOW, its wrong to laugh at someone because they are overweight, but its ok to laugh at greed, or self-indulgence. Its wrong to laugh at liberals for being liberals, but it is right to laugh at the ignorance and the convuluted logic they use to justify their positions. Its not funny to laugh at tsunami victims, but watching politicians and celebrities shedding copious amounts of crocodile tears is immensely amusing. Can you see where I am coming from with this? Its like we are distancing people a bit from the humor.
Satire most definitely has meaning. If nothing else it shows how people are thinking on these matters. The fact is that there is an awful lot of pressure being applied from the secular world (and even from within the church) to produce a theology not dissimilar to what this is satirising. You might start in a religious forum to discuss why that is so. Personally, I think the root of such thinking is the pervasive opinion of today that there is no objective truth. If everything is relative, then everything is up for grabs, and dogmatism becomes the only unforgiveable sin. From there you could go on to discuss how to counter that insidious anti-christian stance.
You can make theology out of just about anything, and certainly out of cultural phenomenae.
Oh there has to be an element of truth in satire, or it doesnt work at all.
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