Posted on 12/29/2013 12:00:50 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
The word of God says in Exodus 20:5-6 (and elsewhere in the OT) that the Lord "visits the iniquity of the fathers upon the third and fourth generation of them who hate me, but showing mercy those who love me and keep my commandments."
In Isaiah 53:6 it says that "The Lord hath laid upon Him [Jesus Christ] the iniquity of us all..."
The same Hebrew word for iniquity in Isaiah 53:6 is the same Hebrew word found in Exodus 20:5-6 (and elsewhere in the OT) where it speaks of God visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the third and fourth generation of those that hate him.
And thus, if we accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, even if there was some generational curse passed down, our iniquity (Exodus 20:5-6) was laid upon Jesus. He is the propitiation for our sin, and his righteousness is imputed to us, as our sin was imputed to him, along with the iniquity laid upon Him.
He takes it all away ("generational curse" and all). It is broken we when accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
Secondly, the word says in Exodus 20 (and elsewhere in connection with the Lord visiting the iniquities of the fathers upon the third and fourth generation) that He "shows mercy to those who love him and keep His commandments."
While we can never keep all of His commandments, HE, Jesus Christ, kept all of them, and thus as the propitiation for our sin, our sin is imputed to Him, and His righteousness is imputed to us.
Hence, there are no so-called generational curses for those who have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
End of the line for these hucksters that traffic in so-called deliverance "ministries" for Christians with so-called generational curses.
Nations are still accountable and will be held as such by God.
If Jesus freed us from the just punishment of sin, which is eternal damnation He certainly did not remove the results of sin here on earth. Ridiculous post. Why do all still suffer?
I think your definition and the OP’s definition of generational curse may differ.
The rain falls on the just and unjust alike. God cannot provide incentives for getting on His Eternal HealthCare Plan like Obama or else it would appear he bought off His captive audience. Read the Book of Job carefully and then re-read it. We can’t hold God to account because He is above reproach but He can hold us to account because we are sinners.
If Jesus freed us from the just punishment of sin, which is eternal damnation He certainly did not remove the results of sin here on earth. Ridiculous post. Why do all still suffer?
I guess the Kennedys were “in name only.”
“The word of God says in Exodus 20:5-6 (and elsewhere in the OT) that the Lord “visits the iniquity of the fathers upon the third and fourth generation of them who hate me, but showing mercy those who love me and keep my commandments.”
“If Jesus freed us from the just punishment of sin, which is eternal damnation He certainly did not remove the results of sin here on earth. Ridiculous post. Why do all still suffer?”
Original sin and its effects on our flesh and on the world is different than the concept of “generational curses,” at least in the way that the Charismatic hucksters use it. The latter, in its usage anyway, is more akin to superstition and witchcraft, the belief that there is a “curse” that needs to be undone. The former is simply a fact of life, and though we all suffer, yet ‘All things work unto good for them who love God, who are the called according to His purpose.”
“As for the Book of Job, though, that one is, to put it in modern terms, hard to get one’s head around. It depicts God as an arrogant sadist, who torments the faithful for no reason, I have a hard time believing that book is divinely inspired.”
You must have a lot of trouble with the Bible then:
Rom_9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Psa 115:3 Our God is in the heavens; he does all that he pleases.
Psa 135:6 Whatever the LORD pleases, he does, in heaven and on earth, in the seas and all deeps.
Joh_3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
Pro_16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Pro 21:1 The king’s heart is a stream of water in the hand of the LORD; he turns it wherever he will.
Pro 16:33 The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD.
1Sa 16:14-16 Now the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him. And Saul’s servants said to him, “Behold now, an evil spirit from God is tormenting you. Let our lord now command your servants who are before you to seek out a man who is skillful in playing the lyre, and when the evil spirit from God is upon you, he will play it, and you will be well.”
1Ki 22:19-23 And Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing beside him on his right hand and on his left; and the LORD said, ‘Who will entice Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’ And one said one thing, and another said another. Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, saying, ‘I will entice him.’ And the LORD said to him, ‘By what means?’ And he said, ‘I will go out, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And he said, ‘You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go out and do so.’ Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; the LORD has declared disaster for you.”
1Ch 21:1 Then Satan stood against Israel and incited David to number Israel./2Sa 24:1 Again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go, number Israel
Anyone who gives their money to a person they don’t know like a televangelist is a sucker.
How about just a simple explanation, some things we pass down to our children, if we don’t believe in God, our children are not raised with His word, and then their children too because Christ is not in the “Family” life. If you are with Christ then you raise your children in Christ. We all can see the negatives that are passed from parent to child, (racism, welfare, alcohol, drugs, crime, and just anti-social behavior, etc.). We see the positives also, (graduating high school, work ethics, stable families, etc)
>> Why do all still suffer?
Because existence is intrinsically ‘evil’.
The statement that the Lord “visits the iniquity of the fathers upon the third and fourth generation” sounds arbitrary and unfair. But if it is rephrased as “what we do may affect generations to come,” the statement seems undeniably true.
A merciful God doesn’t not punish 2,3,4 generations following for “sins of their fathers.” What does suffering happen? This is an imperfect world. S*** happens during our lives. How we live and our faith in Jesus and his gift of salvation gets us home to heaven.
I have trouble with it, too. Job has to suffer because God makes a bet with Satan, an evil, mere created being. Why does God even stoop to make a bet with Satan? Job’s poor wife and kids have to die because of this bet. Then later, after all his suffering and loss, Job is rewarded with a new wife and kids, as if wives and children are interchangeable. I know there are good lessons in the book, but much of it IS hard to understand.
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