Internet cheerleader
Posted on 12/30/2013 9:35:20 AM PST by RnMomof7
What do you think the Great Commission is?
Internet cheerleader
BWAHAHAHA!!!!!
THAT'S funny.
I left the guilt trip stuff behind when I got out of the bondage that Catholicism puts on people.
Jesus having established His Church on the Rock of Peter empowered the Church to continue His mission when He said:
“Full authority has been given to me both in heaven and on earth; go, therefore and make disciples of all the nations. Baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Teach them to carry out everything I have commanded you. And know that I am with you always, until the end of time. “(Mt. 28:18-20)
Catechesis is nothing other than the process of transmitting the Gospel, as the Christian community has received it, understands it, celebrates it, lives it and communicates it in many ways. Scripture, Tradition, Practice, Ritual, and Revelation, they all form an organic whole. Deviations are heresies pure and simple.
Check out: Hillaire Belloc’s “The Great Heresies.”
So the Great Commission is to bring the Gospel to all nations. Ok, we are on the same page. What then is the Gospel Christ commanded them to preach?
Exactly! We come back to my central point. We can’t have different people, individuals, assemblies, cults, sects, all purporting to crack open the pages of the Bible (from the Rev. Moons to Rev. Wrights, from the Osteens to the Schullers and everyone in between all proclaiming to “teach” what Christ taught. This is why He made sure this teachings of His was founded on a Rock- the Catholic Church, “till the end of time.”
Hence the great converts from other religious denominations and intellectuals like Henry Newman and Rev. Richard Neuhaus (foremost American Lutheran Scholar) to some prominent politicians like Newt Gingrich, Tony Blair and Bobby Jindal (from Hinduism to Catholicism) .
And then you have this.
Unless you are willing to agree to that we need to start counting the thousands of Papist denominations.
Actually, comparing one church with many is not a valid comparison in evidencing the effects of their means of determining truth, that of Scripture alone being the supreme authority, as the wholly inspired word of God (sola Scriptura) versus those who hold the church is (sola ecclesia), usually with a certain individual in that church being the most supreme. Then there are those who basically argue there is no supreme coherent comprehensive source of Truth, and thus condemn both of the other two models for being judgmental (being ignorant of their own).
The former model would be restricted to those who basically fall under the historical classification of evangelicals, which in its modern form arose because of a share commitment to core truths which liberals, cults and Rome deny.
Thus they are treated by both liberals and Rome as their greatest threat, as their preeminence is the priority.
The second model is that of Catholicism, as well as elitists cults, both of which foster implicit faith in their respective magisteriums, discouraging objective examination in order to ascertain the veracity of official teaching.
Sola ecclesia does typically see greater unity, thus cults like the Watchtower Society manifest the most among their members. However, Hell also is unified, and unity itself is not the goal of the Godly, but unity in Truth.
While comprehensive doctrinal unity has ever been a goal not realized, the unity of the Spirit that does result from a common personal conversion to Christ (as damned+destitute sinners who trust the Lord Jesus to save them on His expense and merits), and Scripture-grounded relationship is greater in quality, if not necessarily in quantity, than that which is the product of implicit faith in church and office of men, and confidence in one's own merit and that of an institution, and or institutionalized faith, which engages ritual-based conversions, perfunctory professions or blind zeal.
Exactly! We come back to my central point. We can’t have different people, individuals, assemblies, cults, sects, all purporting to crack open the pages of the Bible (from the Rev. Moons to Rev. Wrights, from the Osteens to the Schullers and everyone in between all proclaiming to “teach” what Christ taught. This is why He made sure this teachings of His was founded on a Rock- the Catholic Church, “till the end of time.
Rome actually has no greater unity than another particular church, sola Scriptura or sola ecclesia (and less than some of cults who operate under the latter), nor does she have comprehensive unity of any real depth, nor does what she professes necessarily mean that is what is believes and teaches.
You actually have no valid comparison or argument, just another divisive alternative, and a basis of assurance of truth that is contrary to how the church began, thus your having to resort like a newbie to more parroted polemics that have already been refuted long ago. Give it up before it results Rome being impugned even more, as it has already.
That's all such have to offer, as its their security and an idol.
You are terribly mistaken. There is ONE CHURCH. We recite this in the CREDO.
There are Churches affiliated with Rome, and then there are those unaffiliated- like the Russian Orthodox Church. Before securing Google-based knowledge it would help to do some serious readings of a Church embraced for centuries by the leading intellectual and theological lights of the times.
Try topping this brilliant exegetical exercise by then Cardinal Ratzinger, the theological Einstein of our times. It will take long and careful reading.
Warning: This is not for low-information Christians: Joel Osteens, Robert Schullers, Jeremiah Wrights etc stay away: this will go over their heads.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFUNICI.HTM
Still, no actual HERESY seen.
It sure is easy to tar an entire group with your exposed mindreading. Too bad FR rules keep you from actually naming names here.
I reserve 7,000 who have not bowed the knee to Baal.
As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18, note the bishops promise in the profession of faith of Vatican 1,
Likewise I accept Sacred Scripture according to that sense which Holy mother Church held and holds, since it is her right to judge of the true sense and interpretation of the holy scriptures; nor will I ever receive and interpret them except according to the unanimous consent of the fathers. — http://mb-soft.com/believe/txs/firstvc.htm
Yet as the Dominican cardinal and Catholic theologian Yves Congar O.P. states,
Unanimous patristic consent as a reliable locus theologicus is classical in Catholic theology; it has often been declared such by the magisterium and its value in scriptural interpretation has been especially stressed. Application of the principle is difficult, at least at a certain level. In regard to individual texts of Scripture total patristic consensus is rare...One example: the interpretation of Peter’s confession in Matthew 16:16-18. Except at Rome, this passage was not applied by the Fathers to the papal primacy; they worked out an exegesis at the level of their own ecclesiological thought, more anthropological and spiritual than juridical. — Yves M.-J. Congar, O.P., p. 71
And Catholic archbishop Peter Richard Kenrick (1806-1896), while yet seeking to support Peter as the rock, stated that,
“If we are bound to follow the majority of the fathers in this thing, then we are bound to hold for certain that by the rock should be understood the faith professed by Peter, not Peter professing the faith.” — Speech of archbishop Kenkick, p. 109; An inside view of the vatican council, edited by Leonard Woolsey Bacon.
Your own CCC allows the interpretation that, “On the rock of this faith confessed by St Peter, Christ build his Church,” (pt. 1, sec. 2, cp. 2, para. 424), for some of the ancients (for what their opinion is worth) provided for this or other interpretations.
• Ambrosiaster [who elsewhere upholds Peter as being the chief apostle to whom the Lord had entrusted the care of the Church, but not superior to Paul as an apostle except in time], Eph. 2:20:
Wherefore the Lord says to Peter: 'Upon this rock I shall build my Church,' that is, upon this confession of the catholic faith I shall establish the faithful in life. — Ambrosiaster, Commentaries on Galatians—Philemon, Eph. 2:20; Gerald L. Bray, p. 42
• Augustine, sermon:
"Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer. — John Rotelle, O.S.A., Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine , © 1993 New City Press, Sermons, Vol III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327
Upon this rock, said the Lord, I will build my Church. Upon this confession, upon this that you said, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,' I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer her (Mt. 16:18). — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 236A.3, p. 48.
• Augustine, sermon:
For petra (rock) is not derived from Peter, but Peter from petra; just as Christ is not called so from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. For on this very account the Lord said, 'On this rock will I build my Church,' because Peter had said, 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.' On this rock, therefore, He said, which thou hast confessed, I will build my Church. For the Rock (Petra) was Christ; and on this foundation was Peter himself built. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Christ Jesus. The Church, therefore, which is founded in Christ received from Him the keys of the kingdom of heaven in the person of Peter, that is to say, the power of binding and loosing sins. For what the Church is essentially in Christ, such representatively is Peter in the rock (petra); and in this representation Christ is to be understood as the Rock, Peter as the Church. — Augustine Tractate CXXIV; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers: First Series, Volume VII Tractate CXXIV (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf107.iii.cxxv.html)
• Augustine, sermon:
And Peter, one speaking for the rest of them, one for all, said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God (Mt 16:15-16)...And I tell you: you are Peter; because I am the rock, you are Rocky, Peter-I mean, rock doesn't come from Rocky, but Rocky from rock, just as Christ doesn't come from Christian, but Christian from Christ; and upon this rock I will build my Church (Mt 16:17-18); not upon Peter, or Rocky, which is what you are, but upon the rock which you have confessed. I will build my Church though; I will build you, because in this answer of yours you represent the Church. — John Rotelle, O.S.A. Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 270.2, p. 289
• Augustine, sermon:
Peter had already said to him, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' He had already heard, 'Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not conquer her' (Mt 16:16-18)...Christ himself was the rock, while Peter, Rocky, was only named from the rock. That's why the rock rose again, to make Peter solid and strong; because Peter would have perished, if the rock hadn't lived. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 244.1, p. 95
• Augustine, sermon:
...because on this rock, he said, I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not overcome it (Mt. 16:18). Now the rock was Christ (1 Cor. 10:4). Was it Paul that was crucified for you? Hold on to these texts, love these texts, repeat them in a fraternal and peaceful manner. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1995), Sermons, Volume III/10, Sermon 358.5, p. 193
• Augustine, Psalm LXI:
Let us call to mind the Gospel: 'Upon this Rock I will build My Church.' Therefore She crieth from the ends of the earth, whom He hath willed to build upon a Rock. But in order that the Church might be builded upon the Rock, who was made the Rock? Hear Paul saying: 'But the Rock was Christ.' On Him therefore builded we have been. — Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume VIII, Saint Augustin, Exposition on the Book of Psalms, Psalm LXI.3, p. 249. (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf108.ii.LXI.html)
• Augustine, in “Retractions,”
In a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle Peter: 'On him as on a rock the Church was built.'...But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said: 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,' that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,' and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock, and has received 'the keys of the kingdom of heaven.' For, 'Thou art Peter' and not 'Thou art the rock' was said to him. But 'the rock was Christ,' in confessing whom, as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter. But let the reader decide which of these two opinions is the more probable. — The Fathers of the Church (Washington D.C., Catholic University, 1968), Saint Augustine, The Retractations Chapter 20.1:.
• Basil of Seleucia, Oratio 25:
'You are Christ, Son of the living God.'...Now Christ called this confession a rock, and he named the one who confessed it 'Peter,' perceiving the appellation which was suitable to the author of this confession. For this is the solemn rock of religion, this the basis of salvation, this the wall of faith and the foundation of truth: 'For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.' To whom be glory and power forever. — Oratio XXV.4, M.P.G., Vol. 85, Col. 296-297.
• Bede, Matthaei Evangelium Expositio, 3:
You are Peter and on this rock from which you have taken your name, that is, on myself, I will build my Church, upon that perfection of faith which you confessed I will build my Church by whose society of confession should anyone deviate although in himself he seems to do great things he does not belong to the building of my Church...Metaphorically it is said to him on this rock, that is, the Saviour which you confessed, the Church is to be built, who granted participation to the faithful confessor of his name. — 80Homily 23, M.P.L., Vol. 94, Col. 260. Cited by Karlfried Froehlich, Formen, Footnote #204, p. 156 [unable to verify by me].
• Cassiodorus, Psalm 45.5:
'It will not be moved' is said about the Church to which alone that promise has been given: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.' For the Church cannot be moved because it is known to have been founded on that most solid rock, namely, Christ the Lord. — Expositions in the Psalms, Volume 1; Volume 51, Psalm 45.5, p. 455
• Chrysostom (John) [who affirmed Peter was a rock, but here not the rock in Mt. 16:18]:
Therefore He added this, 'And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church; that is, on the faith of his confession. — Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Saint Matthew, Homily LIIl; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LII.html)
• Cyril of Alexandria:
When [Peter] wisely and blamelessly confessed his faith to Jesus saying, 'You are Christ, Son of the living God,' Jesus said to divine Peter: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church.' Now by the word 'rock', Jesus indicated, I think, the immoveable faith of the disciple.”. — Cyril Commentary on Isaiah 4.2.
• Origen, Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII):
“For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them, 1 Corinthians 10:4 and upon every such rock is built every word of the church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God.'
“For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ, that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters.” — Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII), sect. 10,11 ( http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/101612.htm)
• Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II): Thus our one immovable foundation, our one blissful rock of faith, is the confession from Peter's mouth, Thou art the Son of the living God. On it we can base an answer to every objection with which perverted ingenuity or embittered treachery may assail the truth."-- (Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II), para 23; Philip Schaff, editor, The Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers Series 2, Vol 9.
You just said it was PETER!
Your football; your rules.
We get it.
The Rock = Peter. The Catholic church.
Anyone but Jesus.
Catholics in Latin America are not immune to syncretic beliefs and practices. The Day of the Day is just one example.
One of my main reasons for leaving Catholicism.
Very selective quotes, some from dissident clerics.
The football belongs to Christ, He passed it onto Peter and His Church in the Great Commission. Not to the Rev. Moons, Billy Grahams, Osteens, Schullers, Jeremiah Wrights, Jim Jones’ and David Koresh’s and the thousands of local corner street Foursquare Church pastors of this world.
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