Posted on 01/05/2014 9:52:14 AM PST by ebb tide
I don’t know how old the author is, but I’d bet he’s one of the “new” Old Rite people who is more a old than the old and more Catholic than the Pope.
This was a standard homily or meditation on Our Lady when I was growing up (50s and pre-VII 60s) So I’m assuming he’s not well-read enough in traditional Catholic devotion or piety to understand this.
I don't believe the above statement. I grew up in the same time period. Maybe I payed more attention to the sermons.
What does that mean in English??? Does that mean, 'bible, I don't need no stinkin' bible'???
On what pedestal would you put the Mother of God?
Thus Saint Alphonsus teaches that Our Lady was the “Queen of Martyrs,” as we recite in the Litany, since her martyrdom was “longer and greater than that of all the martyrs.”
So Mary never died yet she was a martyr...
So what do you do, store one truth on one side of your brain and the other truth on the other side and hope they never meet???
Q. Did Mary die as a martyr???
A. Well yes she did...All Catholics know that...
Q. Well then Mary was not assumed to heaven while still alive???
A. Well of course she was...Our Church has always taught that...
Oh, I see....get me outta' here, quick!!!
Its only a denigration of Mary if you have her placed on too high a pedestal.
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If Jesus was born the Son of God, one third of the Trinity and not just a boy who became a man who became God, then she is the Mother of God, so it is deserving of being placed on a high pedestal. She was not just some ordinary woman who just happened to give birth to our messiah.
You remembered.
Reading this thread, I just think this latest issue shows that nobody really understands what this Pope thinks, means, or says. If I were Catholic, that would worry me.
So the author likes the idea by St. Alphonsus, that Mary foreknew her Son’s death on the Cross better than Pope Francis’ idea that she could have been surprised by it.
Note first that this is a far cry from the earlier “Pope has blasphemed” that you and your friends or alter egos were running around with.
Second, there is not contradiction. The pope stated as a fact that Mary remained silent “in hope”, that is she remained in the faith. In order to better deliver her astonishing faith the Pope points out that the natural thing to do would be to feel betrayal. The pope never said that Mary was actually feeling betrayed.
forgot to ping you to the post directed to both of us.
So now you’re equating Francis with St. Alphonsus Ligouri?
Secondly, to my knowledge, I’m the only one, so far, who has accused the pope of blasphemy. And I stand by it.
You’re false accusations have become tiresome.
Actually, the Church doesn’t specifically teach Mary physically died or not, only that she was assumed bodily into Heaven. Pope Pius XII solemnly defined in Munificentissimus Deus on Nov. 1, 1950, that the “Immaculate Mother of God, the ever-virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory.” However, if she physically died, the Church doesn’t provide a date or means.
She is Queen of Martyrs, as she is also Queen of Heaven, as mother of the King, the first Christian martyr.
It seems logical to me that Mary, being human, would have any number of human questions. What were those questions? I don’t know. However, we can suppose she may have had questions, and how she may have responded.
Think Enoch and Elijah. Similar words.
Genesis 5:24 says only that God “took” him (Enoch), but doesn’t say where. Sirach 44:16 and 49:14 make it clear that he was taken up from the earth, and Hebrews 11:5 adds “so that he should not see death.”
In Elijah’s case, 2 Kings 2:11 states that “Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.” First Maccabees 2:58 adds, “Elijah because of great zeal for the Law was taken up into heaven. “
The pope said that Mary thought, “Lies! I was deceived!”
What part of “ feeling betrayed” does that not fall under?
Both are my teachers.
If you stand by your thought that the Pope has blasphemed, despite my quite patient explanation what His holiness has said and what he did not say, then my accusation is not false. You have left the Catholic Church through your contumacy.
No, His Holiness did not say that.
Good post. But you failed to mention that Mary, unlike other humans, was born without original sin.
That is true, she was born without original sin, but having human nature, like her Son, she would have had any number of human thoughts.
Anyone can speculate on those thoughts, but none of them are recorded in Scripture.
"Anti-Catholic bigot"
"Cretin"
"Idiot"
"Look, get lost"
But thoughts that were not sinful, correct?
Stand by them...
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