Posted on 01/05/2014 9:52:14 AM PST by ebb tide
It’s a waste of time, I’ve come to realize, annalex. Look at my #49 and the response.
They’re just not being honest. Why bother?
Sure, they were sinless.
If Jesus Himself could ask, “Father, Father, why have you abandoned me?,” then I am sure Mary could have asked any number of similar questions. Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34.
I quoted the pope, in full context. That’s all the documentation you need from me.
No argument. I didnt say she shouldnt be honored. I’m just saying the pedestal is TOO high.
On a place of high honor, but not virtual equality with the Trinity.
Having said that you never came out and said you were referring to the "title" of the article, so I can see where ebbtide could honestly say you didn't do that. As for your interpretation of what kind of Christianity is reflected in Francis words, it seems as if you aren't so much as telling us the way it is, but wondering out loud. Is that right? However, I can absolutely see why ebbtide would take it as your telling him/the OP that as Catholics they have no clue what they are talking about. Hence, his negative response. And considering the way you judged him in previous threads, is it really all that surprising?
For you, it doesn't seem Protestant because the view of Mary is still too high for Protestants. You are wondering whether it would reflect a more Orthodox view. That's a fair question. Even if it were more Orthodox in nature, it is still not Catholic. The leader of the Catholic Church's words should be unequivocally Catholic. They were not.
Personally, this topic is getting old for me in the sense that the same players are involved and we're not going to change each other's views apparently. Time will tell who was in the right and who was in the wrong. I have no doubt about that.
Those words of Jesus were explained. He was quoting a Psalm to show that He was the messiah....once again. It wasn’t a moment of doubt about God. You should read up about that at Catholic Answers. They even explain it correctly.
It is not new to me, including the dishonesty of it. Of course your analysis is correct: the homily is Catholic through and through, but it is historical Catholic, that does not shudder at the thought of Mary’s humanity. There is a wing of Catholicism that does nothing other then finds fault with any pope post Vatican II. The style doesn’t change, even though the popes change quite a bit. This time they find something about the pope’s mariology; tomorrow it will be something else. I already get pings on ridiculous articles from the same gang that have one thing in common: they vaguely — for there is nothing on substance — attach something improper to pope Francis.
When the gang gets annoying enough, they’ll get banned and that will be the end of this episode.
Ditto that.
That would not be accepted in any scholastic area. One must give the source at the very least. Anyone can claim to share a quotation but if the source and context are missing, it remains dubious.
Wow...that is certainly the truth. The very fact that the Pope is attacked so frequently by liberals who know what he stands for and by others with a sort of Pharisaical leaning has convinced me that Satan does not like him at all.
**When the gang gets annoying enough, they’ll get banned and that will be the end of this episode.**
It happened before and it will happen again.
And I have contemplated the fact that some of these names are new names for the older screenames.
In fact they have linked some of their older articles. LOL!
I’m curious. What would be the reasons for the bans? Because as far as I can see as long as “the gang” follows forum rules there wouldn’t be a reason for a ban, right?
Despite your dismissive attitude, I do know that it is from Psalms, and a fulfillment of prophecy.
However, the larger point is that Mary, with a singular human nature, could possibly have had thoughts of anguish, discouragement, and other emotions.
Please take off your miter and try to preach with patience.
First of all, it wasn’t a “dismissive attitude”.
Second of all, you used Christ’s words on the Cross as a way to allow for the similar thoughts to go through Mary’s mind. Since Christ’s words were not showing he thought God betrayed him, it is erroneous on your part to use it to support your defense of Francis’ comments about Mary. That was my point.
Not sure what the “take off your miter and try to preach with patience” meant, but it certainly doesn’t sound very charitable.
I agree, but somehow enough of the forum regulars got annoyed and it happened.
My impression is that you guys don't argue in good faith. You will get farther if you make your point, listen to the other side's argument and move on. Instead, I was forced to repeat to you and a few with you the same perfectly valid point about 10 times per day, and it never got acknowledged. You act like wind-up toys and that is annoying.
No, he doesn't. Newsflash: the Pope is Catholic!
In response to post #76, I would like to hear from the Religion Moderator because it seems to me that banning a poster simply because a handful of posters are “annoyed” with him doesn’t seem appropriate.
I’m sure that could be said about A LOT of posters and I would argue that that is part and parcel of discussion forums. I would also argue that those that are “annoyed” are also very good at “annoying” others with their inability to see the other POV. And yet again, I don’t see them suggesting their lack of good faith or future banning.
Thought you should be aware of my last post as well since you are included in the group that is annoying (and who, according to annalex, at some point could be banned because of it).
I actually agree with you; it isn't. But, somehow, it happened before with a similar group.
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