[Piranha]

It is disingenuous for you to say that some Jews object to the appellation “messianic Jews” but this is the Jews’ problem. The whole reason they took on that name is as part of a marketing strategy to convince Jews that they could continue to Jews while becoming Christians. For Jews this is not true, and therefore this is not the Jews’ problem.

Look at the history of so-called Messianic Jews. They did not exist until the 1960s under a former Jew called Moishe Rosen who evangelized among Jews. To this day they set up centers in Jewish neighborhoods and try to convince Jews that it is okay to be Christian and Jewish at the same time under the name “Messianic Jew.”

This is duplicitous fraud.

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They did not exist until the 1960s under a former Jew called Moishe Rosen who evangelized among Jews.

Okay, so if they're still around in 2060 or 2160 or 20060 one of you is right, if you're not the other one is.

Obviously, if Jews don't consider Messianic Jews Jewish, then they aren't considered Jewish by Jews and protestations to the contrary aren't going to change that.

But if Messianic Jews continue to exist without being assimilated or absorbed by the Christian or back into the Jewish community, some rethinking might be in order.

"Fraud" is pretty harsh in reference to anyone's religious views, though.

[JewishRighter]

Correct again. “Messianic Judaism “ is just the repackaged missionary scam that used to be called Jews for Jesus

[Steve_Seattle]

"This is duplicitous fraud."

Belated reply. I do not think it is fraud unless you believe that a Jew can't - by definition - be a Christian. There are Jews who are atheists and agnostics, and if they can call themselves Jews why can't Jews who have accepted Jesus as the Messiah be called Jews? Jewish scholars such as Daniel Boyarin and Julie Galambush (a convert to Judaism) have written some excellent books on "the parting of the ways" between Judaism and Christianity, and the differences between the two belief systems in New Testament times were not nearly so vast as most people believe. The topic has been clouded by centuries of polemic on both sides.