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To: Rich21IE
This is unbelievably perplexing to me. I know for a fact that at least once a week I run across an article about the decline of the faith and church membership in the U.S. Does anyone really keep official, accurate and vetted numbers?

In short, no.

Vast differences in theology and accounting practices make it nearly impossible to really know how many members a church body has, whether active or occasional worshippers. That, in turn, makes side-by-side comparisons nearly impossible....Often a church's understanding of membership -- how it is started, how it is maintained and how it can be revoked -- influences counts....

....Roman Catholics, the largest U.S. church with a reported 69 million members, start counting baptized infants as members and often don't remove people until they die. Most membership surveys don't actually count who's in the pews on Sunday....That means it is possible, for example, to be born Catholic, married Methodist, die Lutheran and still be listed as a member of the 1 billion-member Roman Catholic Church. "The Catholic understanding of membership is that a person becomes a member upon baptism and remains a member for life," Gautier said. "Whether you show up at church or not is not what determines whether you're a member."
-- from the thread When It Comes to Church Membership Numbers, the Devil's in the Details

Demographer Mary Gautier of the center said counting Catholics is really more art than science because parish rolls may not be up to date. Many Catholics drift from parish to parish without formally changing their membership and often don't report deaths in their families, the newspaper said.
-- from the thread Roman Catholics total 64 million in U.S. ["counting Catholics is really more art than science"]


14 posted on 01/10/2014 11:41:34 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

Give it a rest Alex Murphy, just go ahead and become Catholic already!

You can’t whine that much about numbers and be that jealous that no one listens to you without a deep seated desire, so come on aboard and count yourself a sucker. Come on home.

Nobody here cares how many Catholics there are, they just want MORE.


19 posted on 01/10/2014 12:00:41 PM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: Alex Murphy

“Demographer Mary Gautier of the center said counting Catholics is really more art than science because parish rolls may not be up to date. Many Catholics drift from parish to parish without formally changing their membership and often don’t report deaths in their families, the newspaper said.”

This isn’t really relevant to counting. I live in a small city where we have 2 primary parishes and there are 3-4 in the smaller outlying communities. We belong as members to St. Mary’s as my wife’s family helped to build that church after immigrating from Germany. However, we most often attend the church across the city as we like the hour and music at the Mass. We go back and forth and know each community fairly well. But for counting purposeds, going from parish to parish simply doesn’t matter. We are counted once in the official parish we are registered at.


22 posted on 01/10/2014 12:36:56 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Ted Cruz...2016-24 ...A New Conservative Era)
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To: Alex Murphy

“Most membership surveys don’t actually count who’s in the pews on Sunday”

I don’t know if it is being done elsewhere, but the Archdiocese of St. Louis has for the past two years been counting who’s in the pews.


27 posted on 01/10/2014 2:11:58 PM PST by rwa265
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