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Evolution is Most Certainly a Matter of Belief... and so is Christianity
Christian Headlines ^ | January 15, 2014 | Albert Mohler

Posted on 01/15/2014 8:57:46 AM PST by xzins

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1 posted on 01/15/2014 8:57:46 AM PST by xzins
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On one point, however, Krattenmaker is certainly right: he argues that it is possible to believe in God and to affirm evolution. That is certainly true, and there is no shortage of theistic evolutionists who try to affirm both. But that affirmation requires a rejection of the dominant model of evolution in favor of some argument that God intervened or directed the process. The main problem with that proposal, from the scientific side, is that the theory of evolution as now taught in our major universities explicitly denies that possibility. Theistic evolutionists simply do not present the model of evolution that is supposedly “settled science.”
2 posted on 01/15/2014 8:58:09 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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Evolution and true belief in God and His Word are COMPLETELY uncompatible.

I’ve had “Christians” argue with me that God created through evolution and so there... they’re on both sides of the fence safely.

The Word of God says that death entered the world through Adams sin. IF one believes the Word of God, there was NO death prior to Adam and so evolution could not be possible.

On the other hand, one can choose to not believe in God or a creator and go with the evolution theory too. My point is that you cannot have both.


3 posted on 01/15/2014 9:06:10 AM PST by joethedrummer
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To: xzins

Just saw the IMAX movie here in Cleveland of the Monarch Butterflies and got really sick and tired of the incredible “evolution” attributions to this beautiful creature of God.

And I’m sick and tired of people looking at me crosseyed when I poo-poo evolution . . .


4 posted on 01/15/2014 9:13:10 AM PST by laweeks
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To: xzins

“Almost six of ten who identify as Republicans now reject evolution, but so do a third of Democrats.”

If one ever wanted solid evidence that Republicans are more educated, smarter than Democrats, here is the proof.

It is time Republicans move forward to eliminate the teaching of Evolution in our schools and colleges which would not only increase the percentage of people that would reject Evolution, but further marginalize the Democratic party.


5 posted on 01/15/2014 9:15:55 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: joethedrummer

Let them tell Jesus he is not real as he appears in the power of God


6 posted on 01/15/2014 9:17:48 AM PST by aces (Jesus Saves not Society)
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To: joethedrummer

Death entered the world only after the sin of Adam,
whose nature we are all born with and require a sinless Savior
to reconcile us to God.

Death before Sin => negating the Gospel


7 posted on 01/15/2014 9:20:32 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: joethedrummer

Presuppositional Apologetics. The facts are that without the God of the Bible, we couldn’t:

-Know Anything
-Say Anything is Right or Wrong
-Couldn’t Trust Our 5 Senses
-Couldn’t Engage in Scientific Experimentation
-Couldn’t Engage in Logical Discourse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j9-cyRbFcs

Dr. Jason Lisle talks about the ULTIMATE PROOF for God’s Existence, Creation and Creationism


8 posted on 01/15/2014 9:29:29 AM PST by Zeneta
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To: xzins

The idea that life happened by accident is proof that people will believe whatever they want to believe, no matter how ridiculous.


9 posted on 01/15/2014 9:34:25 AM PST by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: xzins

Evolution is an attempt to explain how life as we see it today came from nonliving chemicals. Supporters of evolution studiously avoid any discussion of “origins”, yet they depend on this seminal event to have the theory they cling to. They are in grotesque denial.

God promises to judge all humanity, and logic dictates that everyone who fervently believes that evolution is true will have their opportunity to find out from the Author of life to what extent what we see today is the end result of natural selection and to what extent it comes from His design.

I can accept that lizards in an isolated ecosystem will have their genetic expression tuned by long time survival rates. That seems to be a consequence of sexual reproduction and the very nature of DNA. However that does not explain how higher forms of life appear especially in the absence of intermediate species. That does not explain how a fish became a bird, and idea that I think is absurd as much as unicorns traversing rainbows of gold while defecating Skittles are absurd.


10 posted on 01/15/2014 9:34:30 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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Funny stuff. Evolutionists keep repeating the logical fallacy of “settled science.” This is just a variation of argumentum ad numerum, an argument or appeal to numbers. At the same time they can’t see that their religion, their worship of materialism, is just as much faith-based as Christianity’s.

But the main show-stopper for evolution is their belief in abiogenesis, life from lifeless chemicals. Even the most “simple” of cells is mind numbingly complex. To believe that such complexity can spring up spontaneously is ridiculous. Pasteur devised the law of biogenesis, that life always comes from life, many years ago, and it’s still a law of science, unlike their fairytale belief in the opposite, which requires blind faith on their part.

And Christians try to push their faith onto others?


11 posted on 01/15/2014 9:34:52 AM PST by afsnco
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Death certainly could have existed prior to adam. There are not enough details in Genesis to know for sure. That’s because Genesis is not a science book and devotes little space to the topic. Apparently it was not as important a topic as some creationists would have you believe given God did not devote much space to it in the Bible.

Dinosaurs and animals lived and died long before man was created. So death existed based on physical evidence. Young earth Creationists contort themselves to death with bizarre theories trying to explain it away. Dinosaurs in Noah’s ark? Yeah right.

I believe man and woman was created as described in Genesis but spend little time thinking about it. We aren’t supposed to know the details or more would have been provided in Genesis. In meantime let the scientists do what they wish. So far they haven’t found much to support their agenda.


12 posted on 01/15/2014 9:44:28 AM PST by plain talk
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Pasteur devised the law of biogenesis, that life always comes from life, many years ago, and it’s still a law of science,

That is such a stunning contradiction of their position that they have started saying, as Mohler points out in this article, that evolution doesn't speak to biogenesis. I have shown from textbooks used years ago, that evolution certainly did tie the "sea of protein soup with the lightning bolt" to the first cell. I, for one, was raised on those textbooks and those explanations.

That became so obviously untenable that they discarded it, and then pretended it was never said by them in the first place.

Since they also don't allow appeal to a Creator, does anyone know how they explain biogenesis. Is it simply "dust to cell" at this point....with an occasional abracadabra?

13 posted on 01/15/2014 9:47:31 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: plain talk

I suspect that the dinosaurs may have died in the flood.

Watery secret of the dinosaur death pose

15:35 23 November 2011 by Brian Switek
For similar stories, visit the Dinosaurs Topic Guide

Recreating the spectacular pose many dinosaurs adopted in death might involve following the simplest of instructions: just add water.

When palaeontologists are lucky enough to find a complete dinosaur skeleton – whether it be a tiny Sinosauropteryx or an enormous Apatosaurus – there’s a good chance it will be found with its head thrown backwards and its tail arched upwards – technically known as the opisthotonic death pose. No one is entirely sure why this posture is so common, but Alicia Cutler and colleagues from Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah, think it all comes down to a dip in the wet stuff.

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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21207-watery-secret-of-the-dinosaur-death-pose.html#.UtbJo_sufAU


14 posted on 01/15/2014 9:48:51 AM PST by Zeneta
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“On one point, however, Krattenmaker is certainly right: he argues that it is possible to believe in God and to affirm evolution. That is certainly true, and there is no shortage of theistic evolutionists who try to affirm both. But that affirmation requires a rejection of the dominant model of evolution in favor of some argument that God intervened or directed the process. The main problem with that proposal, from the scientific side, is that the theory of evolution as now taught in our major universities explicitly denies that possibility.”

This seems inaccurate. There is no way you can deny the possibility of divine intervention. By its nature, it is undeniable as a possibility, since it is divine.

The ‘dominant model’ of evolution appears to refer to that taught to young people in science classrooms, but this is not a very in-depth version at all. It is far more likely to be a general overview with blind sports colored by the teacher’s own biases. If evolution as a whole were settled science, why would anyone be studying it at all? I mean, why study the intricacies of a question you already know the answer to? In this field, as in pretty much every other field of science, there is vehement disagreement about mechanisms, time scales, and lineage. It is not some monolithic theory, which is a view only propounded by T.V. scientists like Richard Dawkins and *chuckle* Billy Nye the Anus Guy.


15 posted on 01/15/2014 9:50:25 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: plain talk
Dinosaurs in Noah’s ark? Yeah right.

I don't know what's so wrong about dinosaurs on the ark. It depends entirely on what is meant by "kind". We still have komodo dragons, crocodiles. Crocs can get very large. And, of course, we have a host of smaller reptiles. Perhaps they didn't need to take on a large member of the "kind" to have saved a sample of the "kind."

And, then of course, there's always the issue of eggs.

Now, did Noah's flood really destroy everything on the surface of the earth as the scripture indicates or is it a myth?

16 posted on 01/15/2014 9:55:36 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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The theory did state that, as they found in very controlled conditions, an electrical current through the right sequence of molecules at the right time, created the first stages of life... this theory falls apart when applied to the primordial oceans which were not ‘controlled’ but were raging, crashing bodies full of all kinds of elements. The probability was so ridiculously remote, it was described as the probability of getting a functioning 747 were a hurricane to pass through a junkyard.

This is why people in the field have had to go to the Ancient Aliens theory that we were seeded by creatures from another world. Of course, they don’t state this publicly on T.V. because it would embarrass them.


17 posted on 01/15/2014 9:59:03 AM PST by Viennacon
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Don’t forget hocus pocus and presto changeo. I saw those same arguments in textbooks.

They shouldn’t be permitted to disavow their foundational argument, the abiogenesis that undergirds their faith.

I mean, if materialism is “settled science,” throw some chemicals together and create a cell. No? Morons.


18 posted on 01/15/2014 10:01:03 AM PST by afsnco
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To: Viennacon

If I remember correctly, a current going through proteins scorched them and caused them to congeal and gravity made that mass quiver


19 posted on 01/15/2014 10:01:28 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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It was a very advanced experiment and it had a name. I think it was named after someone.


20 posted on 01/15/2014 10:03:45 AM PST by Viennacon
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