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1 posted on 01/15/2014 5:30:34 PM PST by Gamecock
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following a sex and drug scandal

Let me fix that: following a homosexual prostitute and drug scandal

2 posted on 01/15/2014 5:31:23 PM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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3 posted on 01/15/2014 5:32:58 PM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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Haggard said that evangelical Christians sometimes fail to properly apply the gospel when dealing with faith leaders who fall from grace.

Funny, I thought the problem was that evangelical faith leaders fail to properly preach the Gospel.

7 posted on 01/15/2014 5:59:09 PM PST by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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I was on the professional stage for 30 years and I know theater when I see it. A large number of high profile TV or megachurch preachers are entertainers, not pastors or evangelists.

They hone their oratory skills and know how to rivet the listener's attention through voice inflection, emotional projection and other acting techniques. They are very good at what they do.

However, I am convinced that the ones who capture the imaginations of their listeners are often charlatans who do not believe a word of what they preach. A good salesman can sell anything and even an insincere religion is a powerful convincer.

These people will bear higher scrutiny when they stand before God Almighty. They are either complete nonbelievers or utterly self-deluded. Either way, they are false to the core and more concerned about mammon than God.

Evangelicals would be better served to find a small church with a devoutly sincere pastor who will shepherd them according to Biblical principles. He (it should be a man - beware of woman pastors) should speak to congregation in a steady and genuine manner without shouting, hectoring and storming about the stage. Jesus only seems to have yelled when he was angry such as when he cleared the temple with a whip of cords or upbraided the falsely pious Pharisees.

More discipleship and Christian growth is achieved in one small group Bible study than ten Sunday services.

If the pastor doesn't know your name, you don't have a pastor.

10 posted on 01/15/2014 6:05:00 PM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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I have a hard time understanding exactly what he is saying.

Yes, we all deal with sin even after we're saved. But many people are not enslaved to addiction and those who are should not be Christian leaders.

This guy continued on as a leader although he knew he was enslaved to a perverted lifestyle. He should never have allowed himself to go that far.

I wish the best for him and hope he experiences total freedom...but I don't really think he's saying much of value here.

11 posted on 01/15/2014 6:06:42 PM PST by what's up
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I really do not get his point, these “leaders” should step down down and start repenting. They cannot continue to be “leaders”, duh.


12 posted on 01/15/2014 6:12:36 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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Focusing specifically on the scandals and charges of wrongdoing that have surrounded many famed preachers — himself included — Haggard said that evangelical Christians sometimes fail to properly apply the gospel when dealing with faith leaders who fall from grace.

Actually, Scripture outlines quite clearly how to deal with immorality within the church.

And I have yet to find somewhere in Scripture where the office of *faith leader* is listed.

21 posted on 01/15/2014 6:47:19 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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Good Lord, he’s wrong on so many levels it’s hard to tell where to begin.


22 posted on 01/15/2014 6:49:15 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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It’s not his fault that he engaged in homosexual adultery and drug use.
It’s the church’s fault because they didn’t believe him when he said he didn’t do it and when it was obvious the charges were true, then they didn’t pretend it didn’t happen.


29 posted on 01/15/2014 7:05:55 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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He, like all of us is a sinner. Pray for him


41 posted on 01/15/2014 8:35:37 PM PST by Moleman
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Just tonight, we had a Bible Study titled: "Salvation is of the Lord." which examined the popular Christian myth that 'Born Again' is a 15 minute process and that you are a new creation, spiritually there and then at Baptism.

Self examination and temptations occur forever - even to the next life. We are never perfect. Repentance/Reformation/Regeneration is a process.

If your Church is scamming you with 'instant' Salvation, run! Find a real Church that tells the truth!

44 posted on 01/15/2014 8:54:29 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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“Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.’ “


48 posted on 01/15/2014 10:16:21 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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Okay I have to ask.

who is Issac Hunter?


57 posted on 01/15/2014 10:56:19 PM PST by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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These are individual incidents. Can we blame all for individual mental incidents?

Evangelicals have a wide variety of beliefs and practices. One can't say it's a group problem as there does not seem to be any common point

58 posted on 01/15/2014 11:16:07 PM PST by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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Barf alert

Tks Glenn....really


59 posted on 01/15/2014 11:23:49 PM PST by wardaddy (wifey instructed me today to grow chapter president beard back again....i wonder why?)
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>> I’m sick that our message did not do what we all hoped

Ah, the tenuous message of hope betrayed — imagine the despair such betrayal instills in those who give their hearts and trust.

>> Haggard said that he believes wholeheartedly in the Bible, but that Christianity has “abandoned the application of the gospel” and

Notice the placement of the quotes. Maybe it’s the author, Hallowell, that has a problem with Christianity.


61 posted on 01/15/2014 11:38:15 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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“What is wrong with evangelical Christianity?

“I am,
“Ted Haggard”


63 posted on 01/15/2014 11:58:32 PM PST by RichInOC (2013-14 Tiber Swim Team)
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He is mad his meal ticket ended.


68 posted on 01/16/2014 3:55:06 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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He still seems to think of himself as a victim and not as a redeemed sinner. He uses the phrase “apply the gospel” and “fix the problem”.

Dear Mr. Haggard, you, and everyone else are sinners and will remain so until Jesus returns. The problem will never be “fixed” in this fallen world, but with the Spirit’s help, you can live a life of repentance, living in acknowledgement of what Jesus has done for you on the cross.


78 posted on 01/16/2014 6:28:45 AM PST by Drawsing (Fools show their annoyance at once, the prudent man overlooks an insult. Proverbs 12:16)
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“If I prayed and fasted, I was more tempted. If I just worked in ministry, I experienced relief and was not tempted,” Haggard continued. “I thought it was spiritual warfare. It was not. My struggle was easily explained by a competent therapeutic team.”

Oh boy oh boy is this upside down.

He is discouraging praying and fasting. He is so shallow it is " pathetic." I fast and pray together at times. This is so powerful and awesome. When you fast it is so effective for the souls of men so the enemy of our souls is sending lethal temptation darts to the mind. I get the weirdest thoughts at a time to sin during true heartfelt prayer. I know that is not me. It is in recognizing it which wins the battle. You don't do it. This guy never had the break through to this sin of his temptation. It became him. Just fast folks with travail of prayer in Christ at times.

91 posted on 01/16/2014 10:25:31 AM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers! As)
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