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Now we have real evidence – sexual abuse is not a ‘Catholic problem’
Catholic Herald (UK) ^ | Monday, 9 August 2010 | WILLIAM ODDIE

Posted on 01/18/2014 8:57:41 PM PST by narses

Last week, I suggested that having comprehensively and repeatedly apologised for the small number of priests who have in some way sexually abused children and young people, it was time we moved on to the offensive against those who (often with an undeclared anti-Catholic agenda) continually assert that the Church is in some way particularly prone to this disgusting crime. I referred to a Newsweek article which said that “priests seem to abuse children at the same rate as everyone else”.

The fact is, however, that not only is the Catholic Church NOT an endemically paedophile organisation, the evidence is now emerging that, in fact, even Newsweek is exaggerating: it’s not that “priests… abuse children at the same rate as everyone else”: actually, according to Dr Thomas Plante of Stanford University and Santa Clara University, “available research suggests that approximately two to five per cent of priests have had a sexual experience with a minor” which “is lower than the general adult male population” – in which the percentage of those who have interfered with minors “is best estimated to be closer to eight per cent”. In other words, children who have anything to do with priests are between 1.6 and four times LESS likely to be abused by them than by anyone else.

“When,” asks the blog La Salette Journey, giving these and other details, “will the media acknowledge that the sexual abuse of children is not a ‘Catholic problem’?” The fact is, suggests the writer, Paul Anthony Melanson, that “the media are not so much concerned with the welfare of children as they are with unfairly portraying the abuse of children as a ‘crisis in the Church’ ”. For example, the state school system in the US has a considerably higher rate of sexual abuse than the Catholic Church: according to a report prepared for the US Department of Education entitled Educator Sexual Misconduct: A Synthesis of Existing Literature, “9.6 per cent of all students in grades 8 to 11 report… educator sexual misconduct that was unwanted.” This report has been virtually ignored by the media.

But the penny is just beginning to drop. An article by Jim Dwyer in the New York Times reported (April 27) that the New York State legislature is now addressing the fact that child abuse is not only a problem for the Church, but for the whole of society. “Should it be possible,” asks Dwyer “… to sue the city of New York for sexual abuse by public school teachers that happened decades ago? How about doctors or hospital attendants? Police officers? Welfare workers? Playground attendants? … To date, New York City has been publicly silent…. but sees the possibility of enormous expenses.”

Well, join the club, New York City. As Dwyer’s article points out: “Since 2004, Catholic dioceses nationwide have paid $1.4bn to settle claims of abuse, many from acts from the 1970s or earlier… Yet [he continues] there is little evidence to show there is more sexual abuse among Catholic priests than among clergy from other denominations, or, for that matter, among people from other walks of life.”

That’s the bottom line. This is a problem we share with everyone, though actually we are less guilty of it than society as a whole and are doing a lot better in acknowledging such child abuse as does exist. We need to get that, and the evidence for it, firmly into our heads. We have a battle ahead: we all need to be prepared for it.


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1 posted on 01/18/2014 8:57:41 PM PST by narses
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To: narses; UnRuley1; mlizzy; Arthur McGowan; mc5cents; RichInOC; Prince of Space; JoeFromSidney; ...
‘Passing the trash’

Too often, problem teachers are allowed to leave quietly. That can mean future abuse for another student and another school district.

“They might deal with it internally, suspending the person or having the person move on. So their license is never investigated,” says Charol Shakeshaft, a leading expert in teacher sex abuse who heads the educational leadership department at Virginia Commonwealth University.

It’s a dynamic so common it has its own nicknames—“passing the trash” or the “mobile molester.”

Laws in several states require that even an allegation of sexual misconduct be reported to the state departments that oversee teacher licenses. But there’s no consistent enforcement, so such laws are easy to ignore.

School officials fear public embarrassment as much as the perpetrators do, Shakeshaft says. They want to avoid the fallout from going up against a popular teacher. They also don’t want to get sued by teachers or victims, and they don’t want to face a challenge from a strong union.


2 posted on 01/18/2014 8:58:08 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: narses

If only the priests would marry... Oh, wait!


3 posted on 01/18/2014 9:01:35 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD; UnRuley1; mlizzy; Arthur McGowan; mc5cents; RichInOC; Prince of Space; JoeFromSidney; ...

Fast facts to refute the lies about priestly child abuse:

http://www.themediareport.com/fast-facts/


4 posted on 01/18/2014 9:04:49 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: narses

just read an article on Drudge about a nun who got pregnant, had a baby, and named it after the Pope! Things that make you wonder what is going on....


5 posted on 01/18/2014 9:05:40 PM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: narses

I don’t know how millions of ordinary people of all persuasions, from atheists, to Catholics, to gay, to Muslim, to Lutheran, to Buddhists and Satanists, to whatever, who work at schools, became the holy grail for comparing to the Catholic priesthood.

I think what really fascinates people about the Catholic leadership, is not that they occasionally have a church leader who messes up and dates a teen girl, or has an affair with a woman, or the church organist, but the rampant homosexuality.

The general public is trying to figure out why so much of the Catholic denomination’s leadership, is practicing, or fighting to deal with, or personally overcome, male on male sexuality.


6 posted on 01/18/2014 9:11:07 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/804825/posts for part of the story...


7 posted on 01/18/2014 9:13:58 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: 1010RD; narses

I concur that sexual abuse is far-flung.

Problem with Catholic diocese was the cover-up.

Transferring of problem priests out of jurisdiction, etc.

We had one at the prison where I worked who was getting packages of drugs; LSD and marijuana. They sent him out of country, last I heard.

That’s not what I’d call “stepping up”.


8 posted on 01/18/2014 9:15:09 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: narses

“available research suggests that approximately two to five per cent of priests have had a sexual experience with a minor” which “is lower than the general adult male population” – in which the percentage of those who have interfered with minors “is best estimated to be closer to eight per cent”. “

If this is comparing apples to apples - if “had a sexual experience with a minor” and “interfered with minors” is referring to the same thing, then I am very skeptical of the claim that 8 percent of the general population have done so.


9 posted on 01/18/2014 9:16:33 PM PST by Gil4 (Progressives - Trying to repeal the Law of Supply and Demand since 1848)
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To: One Name
‘Passing the trash’

Too often, problem teachers are allowed to leave quietly. That can mean future abuse for another student and another school district.

“They might deal with it internally, suspending the person or having the person move on. So their license is never investigated,” says Charol Shakeshaft, a leading expert in teacher sex abuse who heads the educational leadership department at Virginia Commonwealth University.

It’s a dynamic so common it has its own nicknames—“passing the trash” or the “mobile molester.”

Laws in several states require that even an allegation of sexual misconduct be reported to the state departments that oversee teacher licenses. But there’s no consistent enforcement, so such laws are easy to ignore.

School officials fear public embarrassment as much as the perpetrators do, Shakeshaft says. They want to avoid the fallout from going up against a popular teacher. They also don’t want to get sued by teachers or victims, and they don’t want to face a challenge from a strong union.


10 posted on 01/18/2014 9:18:24 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: Gil4

...according to a report prepared for the US Department of Education entitled Educator Sexual Misconduct: A Synthesis of Existing Literature, “9.6 per cent of all students in grades 8 to 11 report… educator sexual misconduct that was unwanted.”


11 posted on 01/18/2014 9:18:59 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: narses

Trust me, it isn’t an international conspiracy to convince young homosexual men to devote their entire lives to being Catholic Priests, that is the explanation.


12 posted on 01/18/2014 9:20:00 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

What is your belief then?


13 posted on 01/18/2014 9:20:56 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: ansel12

Wait a minute, I guess that is on the table, except it isn’t the Communists who hire and examine, and choose to be Priests for life.


14 posted on 01/18/2014 9:22:04 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: One Name
Problem with Catholic diocese was the cover-up.

I have a problem with that as well.
It wasn't so much the sodomite infestation that was the problem. I could understand why the Roman Church might have had a higher infestation rate (although this article says otherwise) than others, because I believe their seminaries were targeted in the 60s and 70s. Sodomites saw it as an easy place to hide out, and to prey on unsuspecting young boys. The Roman Church could do little to prevent this plague. Where they fell down, and where their actions were an abomination, was when they did not turn these felons over to the Law, and even worse they transferred them to other unsuspecting dioceses. That was unfathomable.

15 posted on 01/18/2014 9:26:39 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: narses

Talking about the many millions of teachers that are just all kinds and types of generic people from all walks of life and who merely work at a day job with no connection to each other, or each other’s employers or states, or anything, isn’t the answer, what they have to do with Catholic Priests is zero.


16 posted on 01/18/2014 9:30:42 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: narses

You’ve posted that link twice now. The fact that other organizations do it does not make it any better.


17 posted on 01/18/2014 9:30:51 PM PST by Terabitten (I'd rather have one Walker than fourteen runners.)
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To: Terabitten; UnRuley1; mlizzy; Arthur McGowan; mc5cents; RichInOC; Prince of Space; JoeFromSidney; ..

The Catholic Church’s record of aggressive and proactive protective measures is unparalleled in any organization today. Since the beginning of the abuse crisis, the Catholic Church:

has instituted a “zero tolerance” policy in which any credibly accused priest is immediately removed from ministry. Law enforcement is also notified;

has trained over 5 million children in giving them skills to protect them from abuse;

has trained over 2 million adults, including 99 percent of all priests, in recognizing signs of abuse;

has conducted over 2 million background checks, including those in the intensified screening process for aspiring seminarians and priests;

has installed “Victim Assistance Coordinators” in every diocese, “assuring victims that they will be heard”;

has conducted annual independent audits of all dioceses to monitor compliance with the groundbreaking 2002 Charter for Protection of Children and Young People;

has instituted in all dioceses abuse review boards – often composed of child welfare experts, child psychologists, and abuse experts – to examine any claims of abuse against priests.

No other organization even comes close to implementing the measures the Catholic Church has taken to protect children in its care. In this regard, the Catholic Church in the 21st century is the model for other institutions to follow in the safeguarding of youth.


18 posted on 01/18/2014 9:33:34 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: ansel12

Huh? What are you trying to say?


19 posted on 01/18/2014 9:34:24 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: narses; All

Catholic priests and Bishops haven’t exactly been well known throughout history for having a high morality, despite the party line:

“If morals be inquired into, we shall find few or almost none whom the ancient canons would not have judged unworthy. If one was not a drunkard, he was a fornicator; if one was free from this vice, he was either a gambler or sportsman, or a loose liver in some respect. For there are lighter faults which, according to the ancient canons, exclude from the episcopal office. But the most absurd thing of all is, that even boys scarcely ten years of age are, by the permission of the Pope, made bishops. Such is the effrontery and stupidity to which they have arrived, that they have no dread even of that last and monstrous iniquity, which is altogether abhorrent even from natural feeling. Hence it appears what kind of elections these must have been, when such supine negligence existed... the general and approved practice is (and it is carried on as it were systematically), that drunkards, fornicators, gamblers, are everywhere promoted to this honour; nay, this is little: bishoprics are the rewards of adulterers and panders: for when they are given to hunters and hawkers, things may be considered at the best.” (John Calvin, The Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 4, Ch. 5)


20 posted on 01/18/2014 9:34:44 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: narses

1. I remember reading something on FR in the past few days about teenagers lying on surveys to be clever/shocking/funny. That’s normal teen behavior.

2. I would guess that if the 9.6% of students in grades 9-11 is accurate (and see #1 about that), that would certainly mean a much lower percentage of adults who perpetrate. One thing we know about sexual predators is they are rarely one and done; most have many victims.


21 posted on 01/18/2014 9:34:50 PM PST by Gil4 (Progressives - Trying to repeal the Law of Supply and Demand since 1848)
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To: El Cid

FACT: You would never know it from the media’s lurid and obsessive coverage, but the vast bulk of reported cases of abuse stem only from a historical anomaly, as most allegations occurred during only a small sliver of time during the Sexual Revolution from the 1960s to the early 1980s. And despite media suggestions of dark conspiracies and cover-ups, the Church – like every other institution at the time – simply followed the then-prevailing view of experts in the field that offenders could be successfully rehabilitated and sent accused priests off for treatment, rather than reporting them to police, which resulted in a temporary spike in recidivism.


22 posted on 01/18/2014 9:35:13 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Protestant pastors and hierarchs haven’t exactly been well known throughout history for having a high morality, despite the party line either, right?


23 posted on 01/18/2014 9:36:14 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: narses

I’m trying to point out that teachers have nothing do with Catholic Priests, how did that even get started?


24 posted on 01/18/2014 9:38:06 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

Really? How do you make that argument?


25 posted on 01/18/2014 9:40:41 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: narses
You really think this article covers up the problem???

A priest molests or rapes a young boy(s) and gets caught...He is then shuffled to another parish to continue the same dirty deed...This goes on for his lifetime in your religion...

Some priests are known to have affected the lives of 200 boys or so during their career...

THAT is the issue...There's a religious institution that condones and aids in this perversion of our male youth...Your religion appears to be the major recruitment center for the queer movement in the World...

And then, these queer priests go on to become bishops and cardinals and likely popes...

26 posted on 01/18/2014 9:42:55 PM PST by Iscool
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To: narses

“Protestant pastors and hierarchs haven’t exactly been well known throughout history for having a high morality”


Don’t know about around the world, but here in the United States we are a pretty dependable conservative voting bloc. The Papists, not so much.


27 posted on 01/18/2014 9:42:56 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Nice dodge. The morality of the clergy is the question, not the voting habits.


28 posted on 01/18/2014 9:45:26 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: narses

“available research suggests that approximately two to five per cent of priests have had a sexual experience with a minor” which “is lower than the general adult male population” – in which the percentage of those who have interfered with minors “is best estimated to be closer to eight per cent”. In other words, children who have anything to do with priests are between 1.6 and four times LESS likely to be abused by them than by anyone else.”

Seems they don’t teach maths in the UK either.


29 posted on 01/18/2014 9:46:38 PM PST by Darth Reardon (Is it any wonder I'm not the president?)
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To: Iscool

And are you making the spurious claim that only Catholic priests are guilty of this conduct? Or that only the Catholic Church followed the accepted norms of the day?

And what organizations have adopted the rules of today that protect Catholic children?


30 posted on 01/18/2014 9:46:56 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: narses

There are many millions of teachers, they are just run of the mill people who work a day job, and work in whatever school or district they work in, they get off work and live all kinds of individual lives, they are ordinary people of all persuasions, from atheists, to Catholics, to gay, to Muslim, to Lutheran, to Buddhists and Satanists, to whatever.

How did they become the equivalent to a Catholic Priest, to you?

I think what really fascinates people about the Catholic leadership, is not that they occasionally have a church leader who messes up and dates a teen girl, or has an affair with a woman, or the church organist, but the rampant homosexuality.


31 posted on 01/18/2014 9:47:56 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: narses

“Nice dodge. The morality of the clergy is the question, not the voting habits.”


They tend to correlate, which is fortunate, since it’s hard to get a poll that measures morality.


32 posted on 01/18/2014 9:48:38 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: ansel12

The Catholic Church’s record of aggressive and proactive protective measures is unparalleled in any organization today. Since the beginning of the abuse crisis, the Catholic Church:

has instituted a “zero tolerance” policy in which any credibly accused priest is immediately removed from ministry. Law enforcement is also notified;

has trained over 5 million children in giving them skills to protect them from abuse;

has trained over 2 million adults, including 99 percent of all priests, in recognizing signs of abuse;

has conducted over 2 million background checks, including those in the intensified screening process for aspiring seminarians and priests;

has installed “Victim Assistance Coordinators” in every diocese, “assuring victims that they will be heard”;

has conducted annual independent audits of all dioceses to monitor compliance with the groundbreaking 2002 Charter for Protection of Children and Young People;

has instituted in all dioceses abuse review boards – often composed of child welfare experts, child psychologists, and abuse experts – to examine any claims of abuse against priests.

No other organization even comes close to implementing the measures the Catholic Church has taken to protect children in its care. In this regard, the Catholic Church in the 21st century is the model for other institutions to follow in the safeguarding of youth.


33 posted on 01/18/2014 9:48:44 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

They tend to correlate,

Nope. Ask Tammy Faye.


34 posted on 01/18/2014 9:49:28 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: Darth Reardon

We have all dated minors, many of us have even married them, but we don’t have a tendency to choose the same sex.


35 posted on 01/18/2014 9:51:16 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: narses
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36 posted on 01/18/2014 9:54:21 PM PST by Zeneta
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To: bigbob

A lot of nuns do get raped. A little hazard of being a nun. I never did learn of the fate of those Eastern Orthodox nuns who were kidnapped by Muslims in Syria but you know it can’t be good. Stupid raghead probably thought those were the 72 virgins mohammed promised them.


37 posted on 01/18/2014 9:55:31 PM PST by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: narses; Gil4; Terabitten
Sorry. Don't buy it at all.

First of all, these two stats aren't comparing the same thing.

“available research suggests that approximately two to five per cent of priests have had a sexual experience with a minor”

“9.6 per cent of all students in grades 8 to 11 report… educator sexual misconduct that was unwanted.”

One of the percentages is the number of priests. The other is the percentage of children, who might well be abused by a very much smaller number of educators. Even 0.5% of educators could easily abuse 9.6% of children, which makes priests from 4 to 20 times more likely to be abusing children than lay educators.

Second, there are so many problems with these stats: What the hell is the sample variance of two to five percent? Second, 2-5% of priests have had a sexual "experience" with a minor, is not the same thing as the 9.6% of students reporting "sexual misconduct." The former description suggests sexual assault, the latter could range from unwanted, non-contact propositions or harassment to touching, to sexual crimes. Who really knows?

We should also point out the obvious thing: in the case of priests, the people assaulted are almost always young men and adolescents. The assaults are perpetrated by what is a very small percentage of the adult male population [1.5-2% by most sane estimates.] The "inappropriate behavior" cited against educators probably involves young females and adult males, and we also know it involves a certain percentages of adult females and boys. So ... you are comparing a large heterosexual population which has contact with dozens or even hundreds of adolescents in the schools per year, with a small number of priests whose access is much more limited -- unless they are teaching in Parochial Schools.

Not saying heterosexual assault isn't crime. What I am saying is that these ARE NOT statistical cohorts by any stretch of the imagination.

Third, Priests are supposed to be moral exemplars.

Fourth, and this is by far the biggest problem: What stats do we have which suggest that teachers with a history of sexual assault are moved to other school districts or in other ways have their transgressions covered up? Again, I don't see the union-dominated, protect rank-and-file members at all costs school systems on a comparable moral footing with what the Church is supposed to be.

38 posted on 01/18/2014 9:59:30 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: narses

You totally ignored my post.

How did you come to want to measure Priests, by the standards of regular people, run of the mill people who are teachers?

It also seems that now you want to make this about pedophilia rather than homosexuality.

I guess that strategy switches from thread to thread.


39 posted on 01/18/2014 10:03:18 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Morgana
A lot of nuns do get raped.

Define "a lot."

40 posted on 01/18/2014 10:03:45 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
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To: narses

Just so sick and depraved.
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2014/01/victims_reps_say_400_defrocked_priests_tip_of_iceberg


41 posted on 01/18/2014 10:40:28 PM PST by bramps (Mark Levin: Would Christie, McConnell, and Boehner repeal obamacare? Not a chance!)
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To: narses; boatbums; daniel1212; CynicalBear; metmom

Wow now a thread on comparing the Roman Catholic church to secular institutions.

“Join our ranks, we are not as bad.”

When one compares their organization to a barrel of manure and says their barrel has less, what are you still left with? Still a barrel with manure.


42 posted on 01/18/2014 10:40:39 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: narses

Are you saying priest abuse cases were all fabricated and a giant conspiracy theory? Just ask any faculty member at Stepinac HS in NY that question.


43 posted on 01/18/2014 10:43:10 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: One Name

Indeed the hush money settlements and shuffling the deck by moving pedophile and pederast priests around shows complicity.

It is a matter of using the authority which comes with being a priest as well.


44 posted on 01/18/2014 10:53:16 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: narses

Welcome to the RC ‘re-education’ camp.


45 posted on 01/18/2014 10:55:47 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: narses
Sorry but the problem is still rampant:
A Vatican document obtained by The Associated Press shows Pope Benedict XVI defrocked nearly 400 priests from 2011-12 for sexually assaulting children — more than double the priest removals in 2008 and 2009.

(from this article: http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2014/01/victims_reps_say_400_defrocked_priests_tip_of_iceberg) ................... and look at the very disturbing wording of the ‘fact’ you posted:
FACT: You would never know it from the media’s lurid and obsessive coverage, but the vast bulk of reported cases of abuse stem only from a historical anomaly, as most allegations occurred during only a small sliver of time during the Sexual Revolution from the 1960s to the early 1980s. And despite media suggestions of dark conspiracies and cover-ups, the Church – like every other institution at the time – simply followed the then-prevailing view of experts in the field that offenders could be successfully rehabilitated and sent accused priests off for treatment, rather than reporting them to police, which resulted in a temporary spike in recidivism.

Was saying this took place during the sexual revolution supposed to make it less disturbing? Just how many blind apologists for this evil phenomenon are out there?

46 posted on 01/18/2014 10:57:07 PM PST by bramps (Mark Levin: Would Christie, McConnell, and Boehner repeal obamacare? Not a chance!)
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To: El Cid

BINGO.


47 posted on 01/18/2014 10:57:51 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: Terabitten

Exactly. The “one true and only holy” church displayed on the pages of FR daily should lead us to 0% incidents of clergy sodomite abuse.


48 posted on 01/18/2014 11:00:55 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter

Exactly.

Anytime you abuse authority (in this case influence over young parishoners) and go on to hide the effects....

I recall a Scripture concerning a millstone...


49 posted on 01/18/2014 11:07:12 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: ansel12

“I’m trying to point out that teachers have nothing do with Catholic Priests, how did that even get started?”

Where have you been:) The popery propaganda press is hard at work employing the tactics of the Holocaust deniers. We are now to believe all these sex abuse cases did not really happen and people made accusations to get the gold inlaid church to pay hush money. Of course this tactic is called smearing the victim.


50 posted on 01/18/2014 11:08:37 PM PST by redleghunter
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