Posted on 01/22/2014 9:30:46 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
If you want to know what scripture says, you have to take the whole of scripture, not take a miss-reading of a few select verses.
The whole of scripture says that you must endure to the end to be saved.
It's just as wrong from a non-Catholic as a Catholic.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 10:25-30 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”
Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Colossians 1:13-14 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Colossians 3:3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
2 Corinthians 5:4-8 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
Obedience is not work, it is the love.
If you are his, he wrote his Torah on your heart.
[12] For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
[13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
[14] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
[15] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
You need the whole word, not just the parts that sound sweet.
I’m trying to stick closely to the discussion topic:
Are all future sins forgiven for the saved no matter what? Or only with repentance?
Or only with confession?
Your answer seems to vary.
It is God who works in us to will and to do according to His good pleasure.
Our sin is not part of our judgement?
We are given a new nature. That nature is redeemed, in spite of the sin that we commit.
When God saves someone, He saves them from ALL their sin. The record of sin that stands against them has been canceled.
God sees our whole lives at once so for Him there is no sin that is future sin. It’s all canceled because the price paid is enough to pay for it all.
YOU’RE the one who said sin was forgiven because of repentance, not me.
The Bible says that if we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness.
Does *all* mean *all* or not?
Here are some question for YOU to answer for a change.
Do you understand what repentance and confession are and what the difference is?
Do you understand what the new birth is about? What being a new creature in Christ is about?
What being crucified in Christ is?
You have not yet addressed those points but keep going on about confession and forgiveness apparently without the recognition of the distinction that God makes of the new man, the spiritual man, and the old man, the flesh part of our nature.
Do you understand the new birth and what it entails? Have you been born again, being given a new nature that has manifest itself in a change of heart?
So those that worked in the gifts of the spirit and were told “depart from me” were just not a part of his good pleasure?
>>>”Please provide a quote from Scripture where we are told Jesus Christ will judge the dead for sin?”
And they that have done good things, shall come forth unto the resurrection of life; but they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment.
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For we must all be manifested before the judgment seat of Christ, that everyone may receive the proper things of the body, according as he hath done, whether it be good or evil.”
So when the righteousness of Christ is credited to our account, what does God see? What kind of works?
Does He see our sin or Christ’s righteousness?
Why did Yeshua tell each person that he healed “Go and sin no more?”
I think my views are evident in my discourse, in my questions.
As I said earlier, I don’t believe you can separate repentance from true confession.
Nor separate salvation from repentance, or forgiveness from confession.
So my questions follow as to how this can be done under the doctrine of OSAS.
Is it that those who are OSAS presume they will repent and confess all their future sins, or that this is not necessary?
Who said they were working in the gifts of the Spirit?
They didn’t appeal to that at all. They simply appealed to their works, many of which Satan can imitate as the magicians in Pharaoh’s court did when they imitated the miracles of Moses.
So that nothing worse would come upon them. And besides, sin is sin. What do you expect Christ would do? Tell them to go ahead and keep on sinning, that it didn’t matter?
I don’t believe you can separate faith and works either. This is an error that leads to more errors.
How so? All you're doing is asking questions. It does absolutely nothing to indicate where you're coming from.
How would something worse come on them if they have the righteousness of Yeshua to lean on?
Faith is what saves and is manifest in works.
Works are not necessary for salvation.
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