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To: metmom

No, I see it the same way. I’m looking more at what this means in OSAS theology, saved without forgiveness, uncleansed..

Also, earlier we discussed repentance when I asked:

>>>”Is repenting “earning?” Is a sin forgiven without repenting?”

Your reply was “No.”

Did you mean “no, a sin forgiven without repenting” in this case?


108 posted on 01/24/2014 8:57:27 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
No, I see it the same way. I’m looking more at what this means in OSAS theology, saved without forgiveness, uncleansed..

I see no conflict. No one is saved without forgiveness.Forgiveness is the ONLY mechanism by which one can have their sins dealt with.

The other option is paying for them and that's not possible because the wages of sin is death and it's a debt we can't pay.

One can be saved with unconfessed sin in their lives. We all sin, every one of us every day, if not every hour.

It gets back to the imagery that Jesus used when washing Peter's feet. We need the daily confession and forgiveness of the sin we have committed to remain in an intimate, close, unobstructed relationship with God, but those sins do not condemn us. Our salvation is secure. God knows our frame, remembers that we are dust. That is why He chooses to not count our sin against us, to hold it to our account.

I firmly believe that my salvation is a done deal and that it is secure and I cannot unearn it, or lose it, if you will, through sin. I did not work to get it, I do not have to work to keep it. But I know better than to presumptuously take it for granted, and know that it is not a license to sin with impunity , as those who believe in OSAS are often accused of believing.

I couldn't do that the my Lord and my God who paid such a horrific price to redeem me. Neither could any other believer.

110 posted on 01/24/2014 9:06:05 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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