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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

All salvation is through the Catholic Church, which Christ founded. Non-Catholics, and non-Christians, have the possibility of salvation if they cooperate with the grace that God has given them. There is also the concept of invincible ignorance. The possibility of salvation exists if someone is not a Catholic because they never really learned what it was through no fault of their own(e.g. lived in a jungle, or even a Christian who doesn’t fully understand Catholicism).

I think kissing the Koran was a bad idea. Again, popes have done worse and may very well do worse in the future.


47 posted on 01/23/2014 10:57:38 PM PST by impimp
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“Non-Catholics, and non-Christians, have the possibility of salvation if they cooperate with the grace that God has given them. There is also the concept of invincible ignorance.”


Darn, I was hoping to suck you into my trap. So then you are aware that the RCC teaches that salvation is possible for those who deny Jesus Christ, such as the Muslims. Which really beats to death your claim that becoming a Catholic would make “Non-Catholics” have a higher chance of salvation. As long as they “cooperate” with the grace given to them, then they can still be saved.

But the scripture disagrees with you, since there is no such thing as invincible ignorance, or excuses, or a grace that is given that does not lead directly to Christ. As the scripture says, all men are guilty before God, regardless of how much “light” they have received (Rom 3:19). As all men have received, to a certain extent, the law of God imprinted on their hearts, as well as the light of nature revealing the existence of God, therefore they are summarily rendered “without excuse,” (Rom 1:20, 2:14) and “as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law” (Rom 2:12). And again, “for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God”(Rom 3:9-11). And again, all those who do not know God have no hope, and lack God in the world (Eph 2:12).

And finally, “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me,” and, to “come” is to believe: “But there are some of you who do not believe... This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” (Joh 6:37, 64-65), thus it cannot be claimed that there are those who are saved who exist amongst horrid cults or false religions who deny the Father and the Son, since all those whom the Father gives to the Son do not stand idle, but come rushing into the arms of the savior according to His plan and promise.

1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

If any man is in the world who never heard the Gospel, it was by the infallible power of God, and not by random chance, that he was left so abandoned. And, therefore, it was one of those whom God chose not to have mercy on, in accordance with His almighty sovereignty (Rom 9:18-21).

“I think kissing the Koran was a bad idea.’


But, logically, you cannot think that it is “wrong,” since the plan of salvation includes Muslims, according to the Roman Catholic church.


59 posted on 01/23/2014 11:19:02 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: impimp

“All salvation is through the Catholic Church...”

Balderdash!


76 posted on 01/24/2014 1:57:36 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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