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To: matthewrobertolson; presently no screen name; metmom; boatbums; redleghunter; ...
Protestants are, unfortunately, quite disconnected from history, both doctrinal and liturgical. ...Priests also ritually wash their hands before celebrating the Sacrifice

So being connected to Scripture makes one disconnected, while not going by Scripture makes on connect. How typically Roman. Now show us even one place in the entire NT where the Holy Spirit titles the NT pastor of a church "priest" (hiereus) except by inclusion as part of the general priesthood of all believers, with Christ being the high priest.

Then show us even one place where a NT pastor is uniquely engaging in sacrifice by changing bread into human flesh and distributing it to the people to get life by, thus confirming the Catholic interpretation of the Lord's supper.

Then show us that the church began under the premise that the stewards of Scripture are the authoritative infallible authority on Truth, so that what it affirms or rejects must be submitted to.

Then show us even one place in the entire Bible with its 100+ prayers where anyone except pagans prayed to anyone in Heaven except the Lord.

Then show us even one place in all the epistles to the churches or in the Lords' word to the churches where they are told to look to Peter as their supreme infallible head in Rome, or even to remember the "Holy Father" in prayer, or where Peter even refers to himself as anything more than "an elder," "an apostle," "a servant."

Then show us even one place where there was any successor to an apostle, as James, (Acts 12:2,3) other than for Judas to maintain the original number of the 12 (cf. Rv. 21:14) and being elected by casting lots, as he was.

Then show us even one place where infants were sprinkled in recognition of proxy faith making them formally justified by interior holiness.

Then show us one place where the traditions the apostles referred to was that of ancient legends such as the Assumption (which even lacks early evidence), and Rome teaches now, rather than being contemporary teaching that could be and normally would be written down.

Be forewarned that resorting to the usual egregious extrapolation RCs engage in while trying to support traditions of men by Holy Writ has been refuted already.

Meanwhile i will show you that Scripture is the assured Word of God and transcendent standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims, as it is abundantly evidenced.

Meanwhile, the problem is both that as with priests, Rome not only misappropriates things from Judaism, but also has done much the same with paganism.

"We are told in various ways by Eusebius [Note 16], that Constantine, in order to recommend the new religion to the heathen, transferred into it the outward ornaments to which they had been accustomed in their own. It is not necessary to go into a subject which the diligence of Protestant writers has made familiar to most of us. The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison [Note 17], are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church. {374}

Greeks dedicate images to devils, and call them gods; but we to True God Incarnate, and to God's servants and friends, who drive away the troops of devils." [Note 18] Again, "As the holy Fathers overthrew the temples and shrines of the devils, and raised in their places shrines in the {377} names of Saints and we worship them, so also they overthrew the images of the devils, and in their stead raised images of Christ, and God's Mother, and the Saints. And under the Old Covenant, Israel neither raised temples in the name of men, nor was memory of man made a festival; for, as yet, man's nature was under a curse, and death was condemnation, and therefore was lamented, and a corpse was reckoned unclean and he who touched it; but now that the Godhead has been combined with our nature, as some life-giving and saving medicine, our nature has been glorified and is trans-elemented into incorruption. Wherefore the death of Saints is made a feast, and temples are raised to them, and Images are painted ... - (Chapter 8. Application of the Third Note of a True Development—Assimilative Power, John Henry Newman, a cardinal by Pope Leo III in 1879; http://www.newmanreader.org/works/development/chapter8.html)

26 posted on 02/01/2014 11:18:26 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
The "show us" questions are central to that which still much divides ourselves (whatever we are-- Evangelicals? "Protestants?" other Christians not much connected or wedded to idea there was to be some singular "papacy" as it grew to become to be known, it not having been there from the very beginnings of Christianity?, yeah, those guys) and those who subscribe to Roman Catholicism as we see it described.

I would gladly set aside desire to have my own replies addressed, if your own were to be considered with due care, rather than be either fought against, distracted away from --- or simply ignored.

I sit here and write -- after just hearing of my own father having passed. And a little dog which was my one of my sister's own before she passed away about a year ago -- has some infirmity I don't know what -- but is as if imploring me to help him, I'm afraid the little dog is going to go, too. poor thing. he won't eat, for two days now. something is really wrong. I pity the little creature. he's innocent, and as sweet a little dog as he can be. he does try.

41 posted on 02/03/2014 12:24:49 AM PST by BlueDragon ("the fans are staying away from the ballpark...in droves" Yogi Berra)
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