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To: imardmd1
""Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" (Is. 46:10 AV)"

Now, if this discussion is to proceed reasonably and carefully, we will not be able to address numerous topics in each post. Thus, I will focus on this particular point (recognizing I am bypassing other points for now, but we'll be back).

Your contention was that God did not drive Esau to his situation, but foresaw that Esau would choose it. And, you now claim that this passage in Is. supports your claim. That is, you find in this passage the concept that God is not managing the events of human history, but simply knows them. Man is doing them without any input from God's direction and evidently "free" from His control. Have I represented you correctly? I don't want to put words in your mouth, but the topics you are presenting are sufficiently broad as to warrant clarifying definitions.

35 posted on 02/05/2014 7:08:41 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
. . . but we'll be back

We will?

Your contention was that God did not drive Esau to his situation, but foresaw that Esau would choose it.

I believe that is so, reading the passage Gen. 25:28-34. Do you think that The God prompted or interfered with the decisions made in that passage?

That is, you find in this passage the concept that God is not managing the events of human history, but simply knows them.

That is not at all what I said. Regarding His omnipotence, so far not much has been said. My remarks were directed toward his omniscience and foreknowledge. You have broadened the scope, attributing it to me, and in a direction I do not favor.

You might want to consider the role foreknowledge plays in the conduct of a chess move, or in the layout and writing of a fictional novel.

36 posted on 02/05/2014 9:56:18 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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