Posted on 02/05/2014 10:39:39 AM PST by NYer
Ping!
Our church refused to let my niece join once because she was born out of wedlock. Now is that her fault or something?
I don't think her story is particularly applicable to Catholics who have divorced and remarried.
Jesus did not say she was divorced, even improperly. He said she had had five husbands, and the man she was living with at the time was not married to her. For all we know, her five husbands had all died.
In any case, at the time the Law was still in effect, giving husbands (though not wives) the right of divorce at will, much as with sharia today. If she had been divorced five times according to the Law, it was perfectly legal.
Now Jesus, according to Catholics, established a much higher standard for marriage and divorce than that of the Law. But He himself stated many times that the Law was still in effect while He was on earth.
Under the Law, it was, at least in certain circumstances. The Talmud expanded on those who were excluded based on their birth.
I find it difficult to see how any “Christian” church could try to justify this scripturally.
Particularly since, technically speaking, Jesus himself was conceived out of wedlock.
It is heartening to see that some of the commenters at the site have already noted that pro-abortion politicians are treated as exempt from the Church’s law with respect to Holy Communion and grave sin.
Canon 915 is NOT about marriage. It is not part of the Church’s marriage law.
It is also NOT a penal canon. This is important, because Cardinal Wuerl has repeatedly lied and said that it is. He lies about this so that he can pretend that he has the right to exercise “discretion” about whether to “apply” the “penalty” of denial of Communion. In fact, all he is doing is disobeying a MANDATE in canon law.
When Cardinal of the Church lie and lie and lie, and openly defy Canon Law, and the Pope does nothing—no wonder the Church continues to collapse in chaos, unable to resist Obama’s persecution.
The funny thing is, they probably would have let her father join even though he left her and her mother after she refused to get an abortion.
That’s a very sad story.
Join what, the church? Was this a Catholic parish?
Yes, it’s Catholic. With a little talking they actually changed their minds about it, but then she refused anyway because they still wouldn’t let her mother join. But it’s not like they won’t let her go to church or anything.
How did they not let her ‘join’? How old was she? Was she baptized? Confirmed? Ask to go to RCIA?
I don’t really have all the details, this was quite a few years ago. Of course anyone can attend church services, but there were other services in which you had to be a member of the church. My sister’s first wedding was in fact at that church, but both her and my niece have moved away by now so I don’t know if the situation was resolved or not before they left.
Something doesn’t sound right about the report of not allowing to ‘join’.
I don’t really understand it myself, but so I was told. I think I’m still a member of that church because it’s also a school. They teach children as well as older people through separate study classes at night.
I think somebody told you wrong. Doesn’t pass the smell test.
I’m not exactly sure about my sister’s involvement but I know my niece had some trouble, anyway. It wasn’t really that big of a deal, as I recall. Anyway, I probably shouldn’t have volunteered information that they might not want public, so I might have erred there. But since you don’t know me or them, probably doesn’t matter.
No, I think you’re safe.
I joined the Church very late in life, and a raucous life it was, through RCIA. I was incredibly welcomed. So, I find it hard to believe when I’m told someone was not allowed to join.
Having spent 3 years in a Catholic school, I know they tend to be a little strict and exclusive.
Well, if they didn’t kick you out, they weren’t *that* exclusive.
:)
I think I came very close at times.
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