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To: aMorePerfectUnion

http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=24660

“Christ’s church “subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the successor of Peter and the bishops in communion with him.” That phrase affirms that the “historical continuity and the permanence of all the elements instituted by Christ” are only present in the Catholic Church, the congregation said. It noted that the Orthodox faith communities are called “churches,” though separate from the Catholic Church, as they have retained apostolic succession, the ordained priesthood and the Eucharist. Because of those close bonds, the congregation said, they merit the title of churches and are seen as “sister churches” of specific Catholic churches. Yet, Christian communities “born out of the Reformation” do not share that union as they “do not enjoy apostolic succession in the sacrament of orders,” the Vatican congregation said. “These ecclesial communities which, specifically because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood, have not preserved the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic mystery cannot, according to Catholic doctrine, be called churches in the proper sense,”


115 posted on 02/11/2014 10:21:55 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christian raisin', and 8th grade education, aint no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: NKP_Vet

“Yet, Christian communities “born out of the Reformation” do not share that union as they “do not enjoy apostolic succession in the sacrament of orders,” the Vatican congregation said”

I’m not even sure why you posted that section NKP_Vet.

I will respond in this way:

The Roman church claims a series of things we clearly reject as unBiblical. We simply do not care what blustery opinion is put forth. If they want to believe it fine, but there is no reason why non-Roman churches or Christians should believe it. Posting an opinion - even when from the “Vatican congregation”, is just that, an opinion. They can hold whatever opinion they want.

Long gone are the days of the Inquisition, when they could just kill those who dare question them.

So here it is in summary (some Protestant congregations hold other views):

No Apostolic Succession is promoted by Christ
No “real presence” in communtion - Christ died once.
No alters.
No sacraments that give grace.
No purgatory (speaking of which, the Church taught at one time you could cut your purgatory time in half just by making a pilgrimage to where -supposedly- the bones of the Apostle James was buried).
No holy water
No priests
No worldly costumes
No churches - just ekklesia, as Christ said He founded.

Now, if along the way you find some factual stuff you would like to discuss rationally, I am open to having that conversation with you FRiend.


118 posted on 02/12/2014 7:13:41 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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