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To: DarkSavant
I didn't change the topic:

Sure you did. Why did you presume that my comment of They presume to tell married couples how to manage their sex life. meant priests telling married couples not to have sex? (Your comment of "Can you give an example of an occasion a Priest told a married couple they could not have sex? ")

My comment did not say anything about priests telling married couples not to have sex.

Matthew 19:1-13 does NOT say virginity is better than marriage. Just another Scripture twisted to support Catholic doctrine.

When God created Adam, he said that it was not good for man to be alone. Sex was God's idea and He blessed the union and gives a portion of His Spirit in that union.

If virginity were better for man, then why did God make sex necessary for procreation? Why make sex in the first place?

What kind of God to Catholics serve who would create man and woman, give them a strong sex drive, and then tell them that it's better to not have the sex He created them with a desire to have?

How twisted is that?

That alone tells me where the *virginity is better than sex* mentality comes from. It's from the enemy who is constantly out to destroy the human race and destroy the most basic relationship known to man, the marriage one.

Teaching against marriage, forbidding to marry, is a sign of false teaching.

1 Timothy 4:1-3 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

69 posted on 02/18/2014 8:14:40 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

“Sure you did. Why did you presume that my comment of They presume to tell married couples how to manage their sex life. meant priests telling married couples not to have sex? (Your comment of “Can you give an example of an occasion a Priest told a married couple they could not have sex?”

Can you please give your academic credentials that make you an authority on the Catholic Church? To see your postings there is nothing that you don’t think you know about the Church, and everyone else is wrong.

You said yesterday that most priests are now agreeing with artificial contraception. I called you out on it. Told you to show me a source. You of course ignored me because your assertion was false and you knew it when you posted it.


71 posted on 02/18/2014 9:20:54 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I never went to college, I was too busy learning stuff!" ~ Ted Nugent)
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To: metmom
If you thought I misinterpreted your comment, please clarify what you meant. It certainly looks like if you believe Catholic teaching "manages a couple's sex life", by the same logic that would imply that teaching against pre-marital sex and sodomy also manages a couple's sex life.

Matthew 19:1-13 does NOT say virginity is better than marriage. Just another Scripture twisted to support Catholic doctrine.

Jesus clearly states in Matthew that those who can accept not having marital relations should do so.

How about Paul's take on the subject?

1 Corinthians 7:36-40

36 If anyone is worried that he might not be acting honorably toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if his passions are too strong[a] and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married. 37 But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin—this man also does the right thing. 38 So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does better.[b]

The Church does not forbid people to marry, so how is this verse even applicable? Where did you make the leap from the Church's teaching on virginity for the sake of God's kingdom to expressing that the Church forbids marriage? In Church teaching, a marriage can only be valid if intercourse occurs. How does this show that the Church is against proper marital relations?

If virginity were better for man, then why did God make sex necessary for procreation? Why make sex in the first place?.

Jesus and Paul answer this succinctly. Not all are capable of perpetual virginity, but those who can accept it should. Just because one is held in higher esteem than the other does not mean the other is not respected and honored. In the Catholic Church marriage is a sacrament. There is a celebratory mass for couples who marry.

What kind of God to Catholics serve who would create man and woman, give them a strong sex drive, and then tell them that it's better to not have the sex He created them with a desire to have?

Disordered sexual desires is one of the many crosses we bear from the fall. God didn't twist it, man did.

and destroy the most basic relationship known to man, the marriage one.

The most basic relationship man has is with God.
84 posted on 02/19/2014 7:12:07 AM PST by DarkSavant
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