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To: cloudmountain

Ever since I learned that Mormons believe that Jesus and Lucifer were BROTHERS, I have given up on ANY respect for the Mormon faith. Where DID they get THAT particular lie? From the father of all lies? I wouldn’t be surprised.

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I bet you had a knee jerk reaction, did you ever think to pray and asked the Lord for more understanding or like so many just jump to conclusion and try not to realized that this must of had something to do with the War I Heaven.

There would have been no war in Heaven if Lucifer was not part of the spirit family at one time, and who was toss out...

It is all right there in the scriptures for those who are able to see the complete story. Some when reading the scriptures it never dawns on them what they are reading how it comes alive when it click to one what actually was happening and how it fits into the scheme of things.

Lucifer was part of the Morning starts the spirit Sons of God who shouted for Joy.

But pride and enmity filled Lucifer spirit as one reads how this unfolds.

Job 38
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Isa 14

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

Rev 12

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Another case in point Cain was Able brother Cain was an evil being how hard was that for you to understand.

Lucifer

See also Antichrist; Destroyer; Devil; Hell; Sons of Perdition

The name means the Shining One or Lightbearer. He is also known as the Son of the Morning. Lucifer was a spirit son of Heavenly Father and led the rebellion in the premortal life. The name Lucifer appears only once in the Bible (Isa. 14:12). Latter-day revelation gives more detail on Lucifer’s fall (D&C 76:25–29).

Lucifer fell in the premortal existence:Isa. 14:12; ( Luke 10:18; 2 Ne. 24:12; )
After his fall he became Satan and the devil:D&C 76:25–29; ( Moses 4:1–4; )


77 posted on 02/24/2014 11:41:08 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
I bet you had a knee jerk reaction, did you ever think to pray and asked the Lord for more understanding ...

More UNDERSTANDING??

When confronted with an OBVIOUS lie - RATIONAL people do NOT ask for 'more understanding' to turn it into a 'truth'!!!

107 posted on 02/25/2014 5:36:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Latter-day revelation gives more detail on Lucifer’s fall (D&C 76:25–29).

Latter-day revelation gives more detail on how you; too; can BECOME A GOD!!!

D&C 132:16-25




The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

 


 

 16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

 17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.

 18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

 19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.

 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

 22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

 23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.

 24This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

 25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.


108 posted on 02/25/2014 5:38:37 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
I bet you had a knee jerk reaction, did you ever think to pray and asked the Lord for more understanding or like so many just jump to conclusion and try not to realized that this must of had something to do with the War I Heaven.

I asked several people I knew about this. Three were Mormon, one being my uncle, my mother's brother.
I asked priests and I asked friends. The folks I asked did NOT understand the Mormon take on the Jesus-Lucifer brother question...even the Mormons.
But, YOU assumed, perhaps, that I didn't ask anyone. You "bet" I had a knee jerk reaction...well, initially I did then ASKED people. Maybe YOU assume things you ought not to have assumed.

Maybe it DID have something to do with the war in heaven. Maybe it didn't. Who knows for sure. That STILL doesn't answer the question WHY the Mormons, who are not considered Christians by most Christians, that PART of the faith's beliefs is that Jesus, God, and Lucifer, a created being, an angel, are brothers. Doesn't make much sense to me. Does it to you?

GOD bless you.

111 posted on 02/25/2014 6:24:34 AM PST by cloudmountain
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