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Cardinal Kasper's Speech and "Die Zeit" -- Impressions of Strategic Planning
The Eponymous Flower ^ | 2/27/14 | Giuseppe Nardi

Posted on 02/28/2014 5:16:13 AM PST by BlatherNaut

(Hamburg), the German weekly Die Zeit, which has little appreciation for Catholicity but excels as a Journal for food and interior decorating, with its concern for gender-correct world order, published in its exclusive edition excerpts from the speech by Cardinal Walter Kasper on the Thursday of the week just before the College of Cardinals gathered on the topic of remarried divorcees (see separate report Cardinal Kasper to Remarried Divorcees: "New Ways" Work Like The Council - Pope Francis: "Thank you Thank you." ). The Cardinal knows just where to find influential allies and to whom he has to pay tribute.

Actually, the Cardinal should talk about family, because he was mentioned at the Consistory and he said it should also be discussed at the Synod of Bishops in the fall. However, in reality, everything turned exclusively to one aspect of the overall question about sacrament of marriage, and then only to remarried divorcees.

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TOPICS: Catholic
KEYWORDS: kasper
From Die Zeit via Google Translate:

"...Kasper: "Spiritual Communion yes, then why not sacramental communion?"

Cardinal Kasper, however, led a hint of the former theologian Joseph Ratzinger from 1972 into the field, after which there had been during the early Christian persecutions for those who had disowned from inner Schwachheitdie own baptism in the Church a special penitential practice, a kind of second baptism, not with water but with the "tears of repentance." The castaways had no other ship available, but a lifeboat, the Cardinal. Such a lifeboat have, so, if there Kasper in some local churches for remarried divorcees. After a season of penance, there was no second marriage in the church for them, but the admission to communion. "Will it be a viable option in the future?" Asked Kasper the College of Cardinals. In discussing the Cardinals ever since. This is also a key requirement for the discussion in the Synod of Bishops is foreseeable.

Praise from Pope Francis Cardinal Kasper: "Thank you. Thank you. A homemade on her knees theology " Pope Francis was held on Friday morning a lot of praise for the German cardinal. In his remarks, "I have found the love for the Church." He continued: "Yesterday before going to sleep, but not to fall asleep, I have read the work of Cardinal Kasper, read again," the Pope said today at the opening of the second day of the Consistory. Francis said the speech by Cardinal Kasper. "I want to thank him, because I have found a deep theology, a serene and carefree theological thinking. It's nice to read a light-hearted theology. And I have found what is called the Saint Ignatius the sensus ecclesiae, the love for the mother church. It was good for me and it seemed to me to have an idea, but please, forgive me, Your Eminence, if I bring in embarrassment. The idea is: It's called doing theology on his knees. Thank you. Thank you. "

How will the Cardinals react? As the bishops?

1 posted on 02/28/2014 5:16:13 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

What language was this published in? What language was it translated into?


2 posted on 02/28/2014 5:22:46 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Don't let the aftershave and embalming fluid fool you. Many RINOs are actually dead meat.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
What language was this published in? What language was it translated into?

The language of Nuance and Manipulation, AKA the "Modernist" language.

3 posted on 02/28/2014 6:11:55 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut
I am confused. (Probably perpetually.)

In the first place, civil divorce was never exactly forbidden to Catholics. (In fact, IIRC, it might even be recommended in extreme cases). Remarriage was the sticker.

So, technically (or I guess canonically) speaking, a divorced person would not be denied the sacraments simply because of having been civilly divorced. Remarriage would be quite another matter.

So is what these fellows are pussyfooting around is the question of a valid remarriage for a divorced Catholic, without benefit of an annulment?

This article, originally one might surmise, written in German and then translated into a Czech 7th grader's idea of English was of no help.

Whatsa da story?

4 posted on 02/28/2014 6:44:50 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Don't let the aftershave and embalming fluid fool you. Many RINOs are actually dead meat.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Sorry, thought you were joking re the translation (common response around here when Pope Francis utters something controversial :)

So is what these fellows are pussyfooting around is the question of a valid remarriage for a divorced Catholic, without benefit of an annulment?

Some appear to be angling to do an end run around the Church's teaching by creating exceptions and loopholes without changing doctrine. However the net effect will likely be to undermine doctrine. Their strategy is similar to the Obama approach (i.e. Constitution remains the law of the land but is selectively enforced).

5 posted on 02/28/2014 7:32:31 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: Kenny Bunk
It was originally in German.

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Translator


6 posted on 02/28/2014 10:01:36 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: BlatherNaut
"If a divorced re-married man regrets that he has failed in his first marriage, when he was struggling for strength, to live the second civil marriage by faith, can we then deny him the Sacrament of Penance and Holy Communion?"

For any pope prior to the Second Vatican Council, the answer would be a thundering, "No" and the questioner banished from the floor.

And for Kasper's information, the Sacrament of Penance is always available to the adulterer; he just has to follow through on his act of contrition to "sin no more".

And Francis calls this man a "superb theologian"? "On your knees theology"?

7 posted on 02/28/2014 2:45:43 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
And Francis calls this man a "superb theologian"? "On your knees theology"?

His "superb theology" is bringing those of us who recognize it as undermining Catholic teaching to our knees - out of sheer horror.

8 posted on 02/28/2014 4:04:31 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut
Yes. I thought that phrase quite ironic since it's been reported that Pope Francis doesn't genuflect in front of the tabernacle or at the Consecration because of bad knees.

However, when and where there's a will (and a photo op), there's a way:


9 posted on 02/28/2014 4:15:29 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Please post that report......it’s very disturbing to say the least.


10 posted on 02/28/2014 4:30:25 PM PST by piusv
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To: piusv; NKP_Vet
Here you go:

Oh, we are in deep, deep trouble

11 posted on 02/28/2014 4:49:12 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Hmmm. So why wouldn’t a Catholic Pope genuflect at the Consecration? I see the same link shows that the frail Benedict fully genuflects.


12 posted on 02/28/2014 5:00:29 PM PST by piusv
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To: piusv

Most Jesuits aren’t Catholic.


13 posted on 02/28/2014 5:17:18 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Of course he genuflected and also holds the chalice up toward heaven longer than any Pope I have ever saw.


14 posted on 02/28/2014 5:40:43 PM PST by NKP_Vet (“From man’s sweat and God’s love, beer came into the world.” – St. Arnold of Metz)
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To: NKP_Vet

I don’t care how many popes you “sawed”.


15 posted on 02/28/2014 5:44:30 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Ma deddie didn’t need no book learnin’ and I don’t neder.


16 posted on 02/28/2014 5:59:12 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christin' raisin', an 8th grade education, ain't no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: NKP_Vet

Yes! I gathered that when you recently stated only Catholics needed annulments of their marriages.


17 posted on 02/28/2014 6:03:40 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Jus tink few yez ago I cudnent eben spel Cathlik, now i iz one.


18 posted on 02/28/2014 6:24:16 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christin' raisin', an 8th grade education, ain't no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: NKP_Vet; ebb tide

Did you watch the same video as ebbtide and I did? Now if we have other videos that show he typically genuflects, then I’ll assume this was a one time thing.


19 posted on 03/01/2014 5:08:03 AM PST by piusv
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