Posted on 03/01/2014 10:42:07 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
I thought you might be interested in this thread.
Philip
Which name of the Almighty? YHVH? Elohim? And can you give an example in the NT of this circumlocution you are talking about? Other than "kingdom of heaven."
>>>No, “heaven” is merely a circumlocution for a Name of the Almighty. The author is ignorant of a basic circumlocution of the First Century, and thus repeats the supercessionist’s error to his own detriment, commensurate with the curses first mentioned in Genesis 12:3.<<<
I am confident in the inspired translation of the King James Version.
>>>Any student of First Century Judaism will readily recognize circumlocution.<<<
Are those the ones who were persecuting the Christians?
>>>In traditions going back thousands of years, distancing one’s communication for the Name(s) of G-d is a mark of reverence. (Yes, “G-d” is a sign of reverence.) <<<
I am confident my Lord is perfectly happy whether I use the word GOD, the LORD, the ALMIGHTY, or any other title as long as I have a good (circumcised) heart. Those who love God will also worship and reverence his Son, Jesus Christ.
Philip
No the “Kingdom of God” is the 1000 year kingdom on Earth after the Battle of Armageddon.
The “Kingdom of Heaven” comes after the last battle when Satan is bound and thrown into the pits of Hell, and the New Heaven and New earth are created.
Synonymous
They are the same. There are already people in the Kingdom of God/Kingdom of Heaven.
>>>No the “Kingdom of God” is the 1000 year kingdom on Earth after the Battle of Armageddon.
The “Kingdom of Heaven” comes after the last battle when Satan is bound and thrown into the pits of Hell, and the New Heaven and New earth are created.<<<
That is your opinion, or what you have been taught. I am challenging that teaching with the Word of God. If you read what I wrote, I believe you will find my position is well supported.
If I wrote anything that is contrary to the scripture, I would most interested in knowing.
Thanks,
Philip
Phil I have to agree with you on principle with regards to your response. Peter tells us the real deal and settles the matter of Names here:
Acts 4:10-12 KJV
Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
A cursory examination of the Gospels and Acts show the terms to be synonymous. I know others will disagree and look forward to their presentation.
I agree. Jesus talked as if the Kingdom was already his before his ascension (Luke 22:15-16 fulfilled in 24:41-43;) and he said he would sit in his throne after he came with his holy angels, which occurred around A.D. 70:
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:" (Mat 25:31 KJV)
The book of Hebrews implied Jesus was already sitting on the throne:
"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom' (Heb 1:8 KJV)
Philip
>>>A cursory examination of the Gospels and Acts show the terms to be synonymous.<<<
Thanks for you reply. It never dawned on me that anyone could think otherwise, until last summer.
Philip
There are countless places in the Gospels where circumlocution is used. See Luke 22:69 for an example.
>>>No, like His first disciples.<<<
I see. Thanks.
Philip
It’s been many years since I studied this, but that was my understanding at the time.
I studied Bible prophecy many years ago.
>>>It’s been many years since I studied this, but that was my understanding at the time. I studied Bible prophecy many years ago.<<<
Two things I learned early one were: the kingdom of God and heaven are the same; and the kingdom is within us. My first bible was a little, green Gideon New Testament; so I started reading in the New Testament.
Philip
Heaven is where God is by definition.
I used to think that myself, it took a lot of study to understand that they are different. Again I learned from studying Bible prophecy.
That would be a good topic for discussion. This was the initial definition of heaven:
"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day." (Gen 1:6-8 KJV)
And this is what God placed in the open firmament called heaven:
"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven." (Gen 1:20 KJV)
It certainly seems like God is trying to tell us that heaven is our atmosphere.
Philip
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