[af_vet_1981]

In the next chapter it appears Moses threw in the towel:

Exodus 32:30-35

• And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin. And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them. And the LORD plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.

Sometimes you write things that make me think you simply reject the nature of God's love and grace, why Messiah had to suffer and die, and take you purposefully take the role of Israel's accuser and adversary. Jeremiah 31:1-11

1. At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.
2. Thus saith the LORD, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.
3. The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.
4. Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.
5. Thou shalt yet plant vines upon the mountains of Samaria: the planters shall plant, and shall eat them as common things.
6. For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the LORD our God.
7. For thus saith the LORD; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O LORD, save thy people, the remnant of Israel.
8. Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither.
9. They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
10. Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.
11. For the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he.

I would appreciate it if you would include the Book, Chapter and verse(s). Otherwise, how am I going to follow your conversation and have enough spare time to take care of my honey-do list?

I'll try to include references.

That passage from Deut 30 was referring to the Babylonian captivity, if I understand correctly. I also noticed you stopped before the going got rough.

No, that is not what it says. That is what you want it to say. It is a covenant between God and Israel. You have nothing to do with it. You should listen to your Apostle. These things are true and eternal. Romans 9:1-5

1. I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2. That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4. Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5. Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

And Romans 11:1-6 says this which is still true.

1. I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3. Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>Sometimes you write things that make me think you simply reject the nature of God’s love and grace, why Messiah had to suffer and die, and take you purposefully take the role of Israel’s accuser and adversary.<<<

I thought you were through with your nastiness, but I guess I was wrong. Those things written in the books of Moses were intended to be warnings to Israel; not as a weapon against anyone who doesn’t adhere to your feelings about them. It is about time you heard, maybe for the first time, that your doctrine is far more dangerous to Israel than mine.

What is the consequence of my interpretation of the future being wrong? Nothing, except maybe a few more Jews will hear about Christ.

What is the consequence of your doctrine if you and your fellow futurists are wrong? Generations of Jews will never hear the words of Christ. Frankly, your “hands-off” doctrine stinks.

Philip