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To: NKP_Vet

They’re not. They’re pseudepigraphic and they’re not history — they’re inspirational works pitched to specific audiences.

They’re based on the oral tradition, which tends to be a long game of telephone, as it gets distorted through being passed along from one source to another.

And they have scribal errors, some accidental and often incidental, but some both deliberate and significant.


6 posted on 03/11/2014 8:16:43 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

The Gospels are different because the writers were different, and they had different purposes in writing things down.

Mark — short and to the point

Matthew — writing for the Jews with a lot of quotes from the Old Testament

Luke — an orderly account with several stories not in other Gospels

John — lived the longest and basically wrote theology along with the history.


8 posted on 03/11/2014 8:25:39 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: TBP

Except for the fact the entire Bible meshes together to become the greatest story ever told. Its all true and the Books themselves are deeper then any rabbit hole with more truth and mystery then 10 million scribes with unlimited imaginations could ever hope to write.

Our lord Jesus Christ did not give us books filled with lies and errors. He gave us his word which is he himself.
I am sorry that you do not see or hear the Word but I pray that you do someday soon


9 posted on 03/11/2014 8:25:50 PM PDT by winodog
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To: TBP
Amazing how arrogance and ignorance can always be found in the same place.

There is far more historical evidence pointing to the veracity of the gospels than pretty much any other historical event until fairly recently.

The gospels are not distorted -- the oldest manuscripts and the newest are in agreement. Pick up any NIV and you will see every so-called discrepancy between manuscripts magnified to the fullest extent possible. And you will be underwhelmed.

16 posted on 03/11/2014 9:06:21 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: TBP

Please present your case.


21 posted on 03/11/2014 10:45:18 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: TBP

If you will read it, I will buy you a copy of “Evidence That Demands a Verdict”, a book written for laymen, which deals with every one of your criticisms.

It has ample reverences if you wish to check the documentation of the author’s assertions.


32 posted on 03/11/2014 11:37:40 PM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: TBP

Source?
Phillip Jenkins has a book about this you should read...


34 posted on 03/12/2014 12:46:22 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: TBP

The existence of the Gosples is irrelevant — it’s only Faith that matters. And whether or not one’s Faith is consistent with the Gospels is something only the individual can understand, and not be refuted by another that claims to know what the individual understands, not to be true.


37 posted on 03/12/2014 3:07:42 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: TBP

Reading the Bible can be like reading any other book for some people. For others it is like reading a book in a language they do not understand.

The key to understanding the Bible is to allow the Holy Spirit act as the interpreter within us. That is why prayer and meditation on the meaning of the scriptures is so important. Without the interpreter, our individual logic will prohibit us from having ears and hearing His word.

When I read the Bible, I feel Jesus in my heart. It is more addicting than potato chips. It’s wisdom is beyond the words. Just as a stop sign has no power over you, but merely directs your thoughts to perform an action that guides you safely along your journey, the Bible does the same.

The Bible has many meanings at many levels. While all are the truth, the meanings are different based upon our limited level of understanding. That is why we read and study the comments of those who have grown closer to God in their lives. Follow success. Jesus was the most successful, .. and thus His words are the best for me to follow for guidance. He blazed the trail for me to follow.


38 posted on 03/12/2014 3:46:15 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: TBP
They’re not. They’re pseudepigraphic and they’re not history — they’re inspirational works pitched to specific audiences.
They’re based on the oral tradition, which tends to be a long game of telephone, as it gets distorted through being passed along from one source to another.
And they have scribal errors, some accidental and often incidental, but some both deliberate and significant.

I see that Comparative Religion class strikes again.

43 posted on 03/12/2014 4:10:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TBP

Regarding your “long game of telephone” comparison ... let me refer you to this website: http://coldcasechristianity.com/

You may want to start with this video, which shows that the “chain of custody” is a matter worthy of serious consideration:
http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/the-importance-of-the-new-testament-chain-of-custody/


83 posted on 03/12/2014 8:38:41 AM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: TBP

Well your paper is unlikely to make the ETS journal this year.


88 posted on 03/12/2014 9:19:02 AM PDT by dartuser
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To: TBP; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; CynicalBear; mitch5501; ...

Since you are simply parroting atheistic assertions here are some site which deal with these and such:
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/
http://www.tektonics.org/uz/wally01.html
http://www.muslimhope.com/BibleAnswers.htm (responses Alleged Bible contradictions)
http://www.answering-islam.org/Bible/Contra/index.html (responses to Alleged Bible contradictions)
http://net-burst.net/hot/ Issues That Make Christians Squirm!
http://www.existence-of-god.com /
http://www.truefreethinker.com/
http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/menus/existence.html
http://www.atheistdelusion.net/
http://www.epsociety.org/library/articles.asp?pid=45&mode=detail (Is Yahweh a Moral Monster?)
http://reformed-theology.org/html/issue06/governments.htm
http://www.scholarscorner.com/apologia/deathtoll.html - Atheism’s Body Count
http://www.rhoblogy.blogspot.com/
http://freedomdefender.blogspot.com/2005/05/atrocities-of-atheism-episode-i.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1121/p09s01-coop.html
http://www.epsociety.org/library/articles.asp?pid=45&mode=detail
Biblical Prophecies in the Light of History By Jim And Judy Stocker
http://www.harvardhouse.com/site-map.htm
http://atheism-analyzed.blogspot.com/
http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexisthub.html
http://www.kingdavid8.com/_full_article.php?id=fe54916c-64bc-11e1-8f66-6067e33f8f11
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/copycat.html
http://www.thedevineevidence.com/pagan_copycat.html
http://www.preventingtruthdecay.org/zeitgeistpartone.shtml (”Zeitgeist” Online Movie: Part One Refuted)

I appreciate being able to find these overall worthy sites, yet note that as with people, referencing links to other sites does not necessarily mean I agree with everything a site (or their hosting company) contains, which can be substantial.


102 posted on 03/12/2014 10:01:25 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: TBP

Extra credit for use of: “pseudepigraphic”


116 posted on 03/12/2014 11:38:43 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: TBP; NKP_Vet
They’re not. They’re pseudepigraphic and they’re not history — they’re inspirational works pitched to specific audiences.

They’re based on the oral tradition, which tends to be a long game of telephone, as it gets distorted through being passed along from one source to another.

And they have scribal errors, some accidental and often incidental, but some both deliberate and significant.

Isn't that what Longnecker/the OP just said?

255 posted on 07/01/2014 4:50:53 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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