Posted on 03/20/2014 8:01:21 AM PDT by xzins
I just read the stuff in black and white and compare it with other prophecies in both old and new testaments. So when Daniel says the evil one makes a “covenant” in one translation with Israel...I’m not saying he is making a covenant the way GOD would make a covenant.
Matthew 24 has Jesus speaking of the abomination of desolation being set up “as spoken of in Daniel”. Daniel says it happens at 3.5 years after the peace pact then the evil one breaks that pact. In Revelation at 3.5 years into the tribulation, the beast over comes the 2 witnesses and kills them(they stay dead for 3 days and 3 nights). The Beast then proceeds to sit in the temple as though he was God and proclaims himself as God(Revelation 11)...becoming the very LIVING embodiment of the Abomination of Desolation as spoken of in Daniel. Thus you understand where I got my personal interpretation of Daniel...juxtaposed with Revelation and Matthew 24. At some point the 7th trumpet sounds and there is “silence in heaven for 1/2hour”. Some teachings suggest that’s when the saints have been taken up and preps are being made for the final showdown with Satan...then again maybe not!
{Is it literally 1/2 hour or are we to understand 1/2 hour in the same way we understand the tribulation as being that final week of years or 7 years? Asuuming that was the case then 1 day=1year....0.5 days=6 months or 12 hours=6 months; then 1hour== 14-15 days roughly; then 1/2 hour=approximately 7 days. That is if we think of 1/2 hour in the same way we think of a day as being 1 year}
In any event my understanding of the Evil one of Daniel comes about thru reading Daniel, Reading Matthew 24 and Reading Revelation and overlaying what each has to say. If you think such understanding has no basis...then show me your views.
The important thing is...’Now is the accepted time for Salvation”...Israel is a nation and thus we know we are living in that latter of latter days. Standards are falling away as the “general spirit of AntiChrist” has already gone out into the world...and soon trumpets will start blowing.
Job for-saw his eventual salvation by “his Redeemer” and resurrection proclaiming “Job 19:25For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
26And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
27Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.
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Points of view are not scripture.
Scripture is clear on when the resurrection occurs. There is only one time stated in scripture, once by Yeshua in Matthew 24, and once by Paul in 1Corinthians 15. Both of them are in full agreement that the resurrection is at the last trump, at the end of the tribulation.
Matthew 24:
[11] And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
[12] And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
[13] But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
[14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
[17] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
[18] Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
[19] And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
[20] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
[23] Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
[24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
[25] Behold, I have told you before.
[26] Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
[27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[28] For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
1Corinthians 15:
[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[54] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
These scriptures are quite specific, and there is no room left for adding in opinions of men. If it isn't the way you like it, it still is not going to change.
There is no secret pre-trib rapture for those that do not wish to obey his commandments, and only those that endure to the end shall be saved.
>> So when Daniel says the evil one makes a “covenant” <<
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But those words are not what Daniel said.
Daniel said the prince that shall come will “CONFIRM THE COVENANT” (The only covenant that there is).
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You have a point of view....and scripture to support your views. Yet unless God has decided to let you know the exact time and date everything is supposed to happen...then that is a point of view.
John 3:16 is the major corner stone of our faith...definitely not just a “point of view”. Learn to tell the difference!
Another point of caution. When Christ came upon the Earth, he came in a such a way that most learned priests with all their knowledge of OT scriptures just never expected. Oh they knew the it was about the right time but they but they were expecting thunderbolts and great portents with trumpets and the pesky old Romans being “dashed” like so much pottery. Yet he came quietly being born as a baby....an old prophetess Anna and an old man Simeon(who had been promised that he would see the baby Jesus before he died) were really the only two unsung heroes who understood what was happening and the significance of it all...two aged castoffs and some smelly shepherds the angels sang to one night. Then about 2 years later some strange wise men showed up as well. Only then was the cat out of the bag when Herod(or perhaps Satan himself),being told of the prophecies, seeing the young child as a threat tried to kill him in a blind scatter shot fashion by having all male children 2 and under in that region killed.
My point of caution is this....while all prophecies concerning the coming of the son of man will certainly come to pass...his coming may not conform with any of the ways we have traditionally viewed such prophecies. Yes we need be watchful and ready....yes the times certainly suggest his coming is near. God via his Son will certainly execute justice upon the Earth with 10 thousands of his saints as it says in Jude. The sealed prophecies of Daniel have yet to fully revealed but with the re-establishment of Israel as a nation, It is safe to say the cover has been blown open! Revelation says that only the Lamb of God was found worthy to open the seals. Hang onto your hats...it will be a wild ride and some things may not go the way we have traditionally interpreted them to occur...though when we compare what really happens to prophecy we’ll discover just how much more prophecy was correct and just how much more all of us were totally off in what we were expecting.
Simeon and Anna also bring to mind another important lesson...The Holy Spirit had already impressed upon them both his plan in a private sort of way that he didn’t with the learned priests at large. God may well have such folks in place in this day and age....(no I don’t claim any special knowledge) Simeon prophesied of Christ’s mission of salvation and his death at the time of his circumcision.
Remember also Revelation 10:He placed his right foot on the sea and his left on the land; 3and he cried out with a loud voice, as when a lion roars; and when he had cried out, the seven peals of thunder uttered their voices. 4When the seven peals of thunder had spoken, I was about to write; and I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Seal up the things which the seven peals of thunder have spoken and do not write them.”
Some things are going to remain a mystery until the very end, and some things may not occur exactly the way we always expected them to. Yet even chapter 10 lends support to “the last trump” view....Rev 10:5Then the angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land lifted up his right hand to heaven, 6and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, WHO CREATED HEAVEN AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE EARTH AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE SEA AND THE THINGS IN IT, that there will be delay no longer, 7but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets.…
The 7th angel...sounds...the last trumpet?
Some translations say “the covenant”...Some say “a covenant”
The Youngs literal translation says ‘he hath strengthened a covenant”.
A jewish literal translation adds no “a” or “the”.
It doesn’t matter all that much...a third temple is in operation, the antichrist allows the sacrifices to occur for 3.5 years while the witnesses remain a pain in the backside for the AC who is detimined to kill all those who won’t take his mark. My point of view...as I currently understand things now.
As for Jesus, the rock of my salvation, the Lord of Lords...God in flesh; Until the time that, like Job, we in our new flesh see our Redeemer “standing upon the Earth”...let us proclaim:”For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life”. John 3:16
“there is “silence in heaven for 1/2hour”. Some teachings suggest that’s when the saints have been taken up and preps are being made for the final showdown with Satan...then again maybe not!
{Is it literally 1/2 hour or are we to understand 1/2 hour in the same way we understand the tribulation as being that final week of years or 7 years? Asuuming that was the case then 1 day=1year....0.5 days=6 months or 12 hours=6 months; then 1hour== 14-15 days roughly; then 1/2 hour=approximately 7 days. That is if we think of 1/2 hour in the same way we think of a day as being 1 year}”
A BIG POX ON ME! I mixed up the “7th trumpet” with the “seventh seal”(which tells of the preparations of the trumpet, bowl, and vial angels and their various judgments.
Ahh well, sorry about the non sequitors. Yeah...even HE is probably laughing at me...I’ll take it with humility and go ponder on my humanity some more.
>> The Youngs literal translation says “he hath strengthened a covenant”. <<
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Which clearly means that it was the original covenant that he renewed in his sinless blood. One cannot strengthen a covenant that doesn’t already exist.
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>> “It doesn’t matter all that much” <<
You couldn’t possibly be more wrong on that. It matters considerably, and that is why he commanded his elect to “watch.”
There is no temple nor is there any prophecy that there will be any temple until Yeshua provides his millennial temple. You are joining the dispys that are trying to force a non-scriptural extra temple that is simply not prophesied anywhere.
Sacrifices are not occurring because there is no temple. They have ceased. Only the insane “Christian Zionists” have need for a temple for their contorted scenario. Most of Israel is not in the present political state of “Israel,” nor will they be until they return with Yeshua at Tabernacles for his millennial kingdom.
Jerusalem is going to be destroyed before then. (”that Great City known as Sodom and Egypt, wherein our savior was crucified” Rev. 11)
We will be changed to our incorruptible body when we are resurrected to the sea of fire and glass for the wedding supper, and that is when we will see him, and “know as we are known” as Paul wrote in 1Corinthians 13.
The trumpets are the layers of the seventh seal.
Yom Teruah will be the day of the resurrection. It is exactly 1335 days of the Biblical calendar from Purim, when the Abomination occurs, to Yom Teruah 3.5 years later when we are resurrected.
This is why keeping the feasts is commanded. They are Yehova’s end times tutorial.
Well...we’ll see won’t we...”When Elijah comes, he will decide...” as the saying goes.
Meanwhile as a gentile, I’ll avoid foods offered to idols and stay loyal to my wife and remember to Love God with everything I can and to love my neighbor as myself. And if God writes into my inward parts that I’m supposed to follow certain feasts...with all the fancy phylacteries that go with that...then his will be done. Better feast than famine!
I’m quite confident that “Elijah” and “Moses” are here already, and I’m pretty sure of who they are.
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>> “And if God writes into my inward parts that I’m supposed to follow certain feasts..” <<
If you were really his, I’m sure that he would already have done the writing. And the ‘phylacteries’ never had anything to do with Yehova; that stuff was the Pharisees’ garbage that was hung on the cross. Only Torah is from Yehova.
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The feast’s you speak of were archs denoting the higher truths of God and the son Jesus Christ. You speak after the priestly order of Aaron and the Levites who would have had the prostitute rightly stoned.
The feasts I am talking about are a higher spiritual reality that will become part of our being in the day of resurrection and are of the priestly order of Melchizedek. Jesus Christ, the living embodiment of the Law, saved and forgave that that same prostitute telling her simply to sin no more; being able to do so after the manner of the order of Melchizidek. That same Jesus Christ who saved the Sydonian greek woman, not from her keeping laws and feasts, but by her faith in his person, because being of the priestly order of melchizedek, Christ restores the trangressors of the law to faith and grace and writes his laws in their inward parts. The Higher reality that the feasts denote becomes part of the inner man...to be fully revealed in the day of resurrection.
It is you sir, who just doesn’t get it. The disciples technically violated the Sabbath by plucking the corn, Christ defended them by saying “the Lord of Sabbath is with them and the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. Do you get what I am saying!? Man was not made for the feasts...the feasts were made for man! The priests of Aaron would condemn the disciples and even today they still try to to do so, but the priest after the order of Melchizidek, one Jesus Christ says, “I am the Lord of the Sabbath and my own are in me and I, the Lord of the Sabbath am in them!”
You say “keep the feasts’ and I say when a man is imbued with the Holy Spirit, his inner man being renewed day by day, he is keeping the feasts continuously. What does the scripture say: “ Behold I stand at the door and knock, and if any one will open the door, I will SUP with him, and he with me”?
Now I will again in our conversation, for a third time, quote John 3:16 “ For God so loved the World, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth on him, shall not perish but have ever lasting life.”
Isn’t that the whole point of Christ’s sacrifice? The old order of Aaron couldn’t do what the sinless priest of Melchizidek could do. Christ has the keys of death and hell and is God in flesh, but unlike Aaron who only condemns(the letter killeth), Christ restores and renews, writing his very person into our lives!
Total gobbledygook!
You appear to be a new age gnostic.
If you had any understanding of Torah, you would know that the disciples never violated the sabbath.
Yes, the feasts were indeed made for man; present day man specifically. They are the only way to have any hope of understanding the Revelation. Your visible lack of understanding of them explains the bizarre nature of your posts.
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Of course the Disciples never violated the Sabbath...the Sabbath was made for them and HE who was Lord of the Sabbath was with them!
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