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To: Iscool
That's the verse that throws Catholics off...They don't buy into the idea that they are wretches...

We are aware of our sinful human nature, and that we are saved by "grace alone."

"Amazing Grace" is a beautiful but doctrinally flawed song, and is not inspired Scripture.

The term "wretch" suggests Calvin's doctrine of "total depravity," which is contrary to Church Teaching.

We believe:

CCC 405. Although it is proper to each individual, original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam’s descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering, and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin — an inclination to evil that is called “concupiscence.” Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.

94 posted on 03/22/2014 12:17:51 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
CCC 405. Although it is proper to each individual, original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam’s descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering, and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin — an inclination to evil that is called “concupiscence.”

The scriptures disagree with your religion...

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rom_5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

The fact that people sin automatically disqualifies them from a spot in heaven...ONe sin...That's all it takes...A person in that state is surely wretched...

If that was not true, we would have no need for a Savior...

97 posted on 03/22/2014 12:30:19 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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